E58 | 2024 Spring Internship Class: The Internship Experience – You Get Out What You Put In

[00:00:00] Donnie Maib: Welcome to the team behind the team podcast. I am your host, Donnie Maib. This is the monthly show focused on building conversations around the team based model approach to athletic performance, strength and conditioning, sports medicine, sports science, mental health and wellness, and sports nutrition.

Hello, and welcome back to the team behind the team podcast. I’m your host, Donnie Maib. And today coach Joe is out, but man, oh man, have we got a fire fresh episode this month for you, we’re going into the summer months, so it’s going to be getting hot in Texas. And this, this summer, I wanted to do a special episode and interview some of our current coaches.

Interns and they’re interning right now in the spring. So this is dropping in the summer, but just want you to meet our interns and kind of dive into all things, internships here from right here from these guys, how things are going. So let’s kick it off introductions, uh, to my left here in the studio.

Justin, introduce yourself. We’ll go around the room.

[00:01:07] Justin Shelby: Yeah, my name is Justin Shelby. I’m originally from Northern Virginia, just outside of Washington, D. C., and I’m in graduate school, getting my master’s in kinesiology.

[00:01:17] Avery Rodgers: Yeah, that’s awesome. I’m Avery Rogers. I’m from Pensacola, Florida, and I’m attending the University of West Florida, playing volleyball there, but I had a few things happen that I got the blessing to be able to show up here on spring before I graduated in May.

Um, But I’m going to pursue my master’s in human performance and sport coaching. And then I’ll graduate in May with exercise science undergrad.

[00:01:41] Brenda Savariego: Yeah, what’s up y’all? My name is Brenda Savariego. I’m from Bronzeville, Texas. If you don’t know where that’s at, that’s down south of Texas in the Rio Grande Valley right by the border.

I’m currently an undergraduate student at the University of Texas studying applied movement science with a minor in entrepreneurship as well as specializing in strength and conditioning.

[00:02:02] Dawson Dinh: Wow, I didn’t know you had a minor. Hey everybody, this is Dawson Dinh. Uh, I am originally from San Jose, California. I moved to Texas about two years ago now, and I’m in my final year at the University of Texas studying Applied Movement Science as well.

So, that’s a little bit about me.

[00:02:20] Donnie Maib: Um, just quick shout out coach Mike Hanson’s our internship director coordinator coach Melissa Smith has helped with that over the years as well. But coach Mike has done a phenomenal job of building this program, bringing in bright young coaches like you’re going to hear today.

And so the intent today is just to hear their experience and what they’re excited about and maybe draw some insights from them. So before we go, I want to do a little icebreaker going to kick it to you again, Justin, three things I want. They didn’t know this was coming, so give me one item that’s in your trunk.

Ooh. One item that’s in your either glove box or console, that center console, and what is on your playlist you’re listening to right now. Okay. Three things. You go.

[00:03:05] Justin Shelby: This is good. Um, one item in my trunk, I think I have, um, it was like an Asian supermarket, uh, up north. And, uh, I live in down in South Austin.

So I bought a 15 pound bag of rice from that Asian supermarket while it was cheap. I still haven’t taken it out of my trunk. He’s equipped. Ready to go at any time. In the glove box, I think the classic, I have a bunch of napkins just in case. I have tons of napkins. Um, and then. Playlist, right? That’s that’s the last one you got on there right now.

It’s going hot and I’m a big recently I’ve been on a big Kanye West wave. So I’ve got oh, yes, sir. Some Kanye West. What’s your what’s your go to song? Oh all the lights. Let’s go one. That’s

[00:03:48] Donnie Maib: a Little chills right there

[00:03:53] Avery Rodgers: So me moving in one little car from Pensacola to Austin, Texas was challenging, so I’ve created my trunk into a storage a little bit, so it has a lot of shoes.

A lot of shoes. I love shoes. Um.

[00:04:08] Donnie Maib: Wait a minute now. How many pairs?

[00:04:10] Avery Rodgers: Uh.

[00:04:11] Donnie Maib: You said a lot. Yeah, I don’t even know Donnie. Can I even sit down?

[00:04:15] Avery Rodgers: No.

[00:04:15] Donnie Maib: Oh, I knew it. Go ahead. Sorry. I had to, I had to get clarity there. No,

[00:04:18] Avery Rodgers: that’s okay. I’m a sneakerhead. Love sneakers. Alright. Um, plenty of sandals, but I’m prepared for anything.

Uh, glove box, napkins. Love that. We have that in common. Uh, I love buying coffee as much as I shouldn’t, and then I also love spilling it, so it’s good to have napkins. And then, what was the last one?

[00:04:36] Donnie Maib: Playlist. What you got?

[00:04:37] Avery Rodgers: Playlist. Zach Bryant. I know that’s kind of common right now. Love

[00:04:41] Donnie Maib: Zach Bryant. My daughters love Zach Bryant.

Yes.

[00:04:43] Avery Rodgers: I’m seeing him twice this summer.

[00:04:45] Donnie Maib: He gets you in your feels though. Yeah. Oh.

[00:04:47] Avery Rodgers: I’m ecstatic

[00:04:48] Donnie Maib: about it.

[00:04:50] Brenda Savariego: Uh, for me, in my trunk I have a blanket. Cause, uh, sometimes I just get cold and I just want to get in my blanket and just cover myself up. I get warm. Uh, in my glove box, I was trying to think, but I know I have a bunch of papers there.

It’s kind of like a storage of like papers that I don’t need. I should probably, they probably need to go in the trash, to be honest. Um, and then for the playlist, I’m currently listening to this song by Charity Gale. She’s a, uh, worship singer, and it’s called New Name Written Down in Glory, and it just talks about the new life after getting baptized.

So, I love that song currently. That’s

[00:05:25] Donnie Maib: good stuff.

[00:05:26] Brenda Savariego: Awesome.

[00:05:26] Avery Rodgers: Baptized recently. Love

[00:05:28] Brenda Savariego: it.

[00:05:29] Dawson Dinh: Congrats. Alright, in my trunk, uh, let’s see, I got some hoop shoes, some LeBron 20s lying in there, I like to go play basketball a lot, so uh, Coach,

[00:05:38] Donnie Maib: hold on now. I know, I should have some KDs. How old are they though? How old

[00:05:41] Dawson Dinh: are they?

They’re about, maybe, A year old. They’re not funky? No, they’re not. All right, all right, you’re good. I should probably have some KDs, but. That was important

[00:05:48] Donnie Maib: to me right there, sorry.

[00:05:51] Dawson Dinh: Let’s see, in the center console, I got a cool dad cap with the flash symbol on it. Big superhero fan. So we got that. Sometimes I wear it.

And on my playlist right now, I got Tori Kelly. Um, running on repeat. Uh, she’s a favorite artist of mine. She does a little bit of gospel, a little bit of pop and R& B. So like, a little bit all around the place. But um, she has a new album that just dropped, so I’m listening to that all day, every day right

[00:06:17] Donnie Maib: now.

I’ll do mine too, since you did it. So my trunk, I’m driving my daughter’s MX, I think CX 5 actually, Mazda. Just got huge tail damage on it, so it’s a hoopty. Um, We’ve literally had the engine and the transmission in place, so I don’t, I just, it gets me from A to B. I’ve got random, like, this tape, fold out tape on the back.

I don’t even know how it got back there. I don’t know why I have it or need it, but it just floats around in the back banging, so I don’t know why it’s there. Uh, in my console, again, it’s an old car, I have to plug in a Bluetooth. Uh, connector to my phone so I can listen to podcasts and audibles. Uh, playlist right now, I’ve got pretty much on repeat is country mix.

And who is it? I really liked lately. Luke, Luke Bryan. I love Morgan Wallen. Um, but I can do Christian and gospel. I like a little heavy metal sometimes. Sorry. I get a little angry, but right now I’m in good moods. So, I mean, that’s,

[00:07:17] Justin Shelby: uh, Casey Musgraves coach. I haven’t, I think I know the name, but I, uh, Good country artist right there.

[00:07:22] Donnie Maib: Yeah. If you played something, my daughters have all gotten me into this, uh, over the last few years. So I’m a big country music fan. So we actually went to see Chris Stapleton recently. That guy’s amazing. Yeah. That’s a good show. Um, anyway, so that’s a little bit about all of us here. Uh, Uh, again, internship is so important, whether you’re, we’re obviously coaches, I don’t care what you do.

This is the lifeblood of this industry. And so we’re just going to kick it off. First question for the show is what have you guys liked about your time interning at Texas? And, uh, Brenda, let’s kick you. Let’s have you, let’s go a little different order. Brenda, you kick us off on that one. What have you liked about your internship?

[00:08:00] Brenda Savariego: Yeah, uh, honestly, just the environment has a lot of elite human beings. Everybody just has very similar mindsets. We’re go getters. We’re aiming high. Excellence is the standard. We just, we, we want it bad. We want to win bad. And it’s just, you know, it’s, it goes back to, you know, Tell me who you surround yourself with and I’ll show you your future.

And so I think like a big key of like why Texas is so successful is because we’re just surrounded around people who have a really great mentality. And like, we get to learn from amazing coaches. And so just being around these people and like, even us, like we didn’t know each other before the semester.

And now we like. We’ve gotten to know each other, we play around, like, it’s awesome, and we each do different things, so I, I would say the people for sure.

[00:08:47] Donnie Maib: Yeah, I like, I think, you know, I’ve been, this is my 26th year at Texas, been here a while obviously, but I’ve seen a lot of intern classes, we’ve had some great interns.

Shout out to those that are listening today. Uh, but you guys have been a special class, just your, and what I’ve noticed that, you know, being a director, what you look for is you look for people who really enjoy being around people. And that’s one thing that resonates. All you guys are different, but it just feels like you enjoy interacting, working with a diverse group of people.

And that comes out really clear. And that’s so important. If you want to be. You know, if you want to have a chance to win. So good stuff. Uh, Avery, you go next.

[00:09:24] Avery Rodgers: Yeah. Um, I would piggyback off the, you surround yourself with the people that are common and what you are achieving goals with and stuff like that.

So I loved that. Uh, going off of that is there’s multiple interns for a reason. And I’ve loved that. We’ve all fed off of each other in multiple ways and have just been helping hands to each other through anything, even, you know, Defaulting the towels, you know, and I just love that that we’re just not afraid to ask for help from each other And that comes with vulnerability and I think that’s been awesome to have with people who have stuff in common with you So serving others and it’s what I loved about it and also being able to adapt to the athletes Uh, they teach you to be a chameleon, almost, as a coach.

So you adapt to whatever they’re feeling in one day versus what they might be feeling the next. And it’s been, hasn’t been easy with these athletes, but it’s been easier than it has been at other places that I’ve experienced. So I love that.

[00:10:24] Donnie Maib: Yeah. I’ve seen just you personally, you work, you helped me with volleyball.

I’ve seen the girls really take to you over the weeks, which is always cool to see as you show them you care and spend time with them and, and you serve them. Right. I always say, servant leaders are the most influential and you’re just here to help. Right. Um, I always say, you know, there’s really nothing that’s insignificant.

You know, your job is always as big as you want it to be. And you don’t need a title to be a leader. And so to, to, to grow in this industry, you’ve got to serve. So it’s good stuff. Let’s go, Justin.

[00:10:56] Justin Shelby: Uh, I think the thing that I liked the most was just being forced to kind of step outside my comfort zone with working with different sports.

Um, I think getting into strength and conditioning. Um, so I, I come from like a basketball background and I’m a big fan of basketball, but the teams that I work with now are like women’s swim, women’s golf. Uh, The Maltese group in track, which is like high jump and pole vault. And it’s sports that I never really paid attention to.

Um, but now it’s like, I’m forced to really learn a lot about the sport, the needs of the sport, um, and speak the language of the sport. I think that’s a big thing that, um, like coach Mike kind of did where he made us like step outside of our comfort zone and learn a lot about the sport. And so I think like this experience is definitely going to serve me well.

Like. Um, you know, just getting that exposure to different athletes is going to help in the future if, if I have to work with, you know, athletes that I might not have, um, a bunch of knowledge about.

[00:11:46] Donnie Maib: Yeah, I think, you know, you made me think, Justin. I remember hearing the president, um, of the University of Maryland give a keynote speech years ago.

And here’s what he said about your career path, right? And to your point about working with different sports, when you, when you first start out. You become more of a specialist, right? And you know, you should really strive to know a lot about one subject or two subjects really deep, right? The higher you go in your career, you become more of a generalist, you know, a little bit about a lot of different areas.

And that’s, that struck a chord when I remember him saying that. And. And I think that’s kind of something that, you know, when I first started out interning, you do, you really, you really learn whether it’s programming or, you know, Olympic lifts or change of direction, kind of figuring out what is your niche and what is your specialty, build that, get really good at that.

Then once you kind of master that, start to add to what you’re doing. And so to your point, working with all these different teams, you’re going to learn so much from the, from the, from the range, right? There’s a book by David Epstein called, Epstein called a range. If you’ve heard of it, but highly recommend it.

But he talks about in this book about how not only in training, but a lot of your best ideas and solutions in life come from not your career, but outside. Your specialty, say if you’re in sport, maybe it comes from the hotel industry or the service industry or business, right? Business can learn a lot from sport.

You see that. So good stuff. Dawson, what you got?

[00:13:21] Dawson Dinh: Yeah, I think, um, being at Texas has been a really eye opening experience for me in kind of helping me understand things and learn things that I wouldn’t have otherwise. known if I continue to live in my smaller bubble where I’m from. Um, I grew up in California for 20 years and didn’t move out of state or live out of state until coming to Texas.

So everything was new to me and just coming to the internship, um, I think It just, yeah, it was really eye opening in terms of learning from all the different people there. Um, and I think also what I liked about this internship experience is that, and this might sound bad, but actually there’s a good amount of pressure.

There’s a certain pressure here at Texas that forces you to grow and be better. And I think that, Um, that’s something that has made me get comfortable with being uncomfortable and growing as like a coach, but also a person. And, um, that’s something I really enjoyed learning from some of the brightest minds when it comes to coaching and human performance.

So, um, yeah, that’s, that’s something that I’ve really enjoyed.

[00:14:34] Donnie Maib: And I’ll just say for our audience and listeners, like, I’ve seen Dawson, and this is kudos to you. You’ve come. And this is how internships work. And this goes really for all of you, but Dawson specifically too, is just like, you get out of it what you put into it.

Like if you, I’ve seen intern, interns come here and they dread it. You can tell like about day two, they’re like, why is that person here? Right. And I do see the good in that though. I see that sometimes internships. Show you what you don’t want to do. But like to you, Dawson, it’s like, I’ve seen you not only respond to that pressure, but get to the point where like, there’s times I’ve even said to our staff, like Dawson is like a, he’s an intern, but he’s like a full time staff member, he’s kind of grown himself.

And again, that goes back to, you don’t need a title to be a leader. And I think what you guys have seen all you do, you’ve come in and added value and made it our jobs easier. And so when you leave here, there’ll be a void, you know, when that time comes for. And that’s really the goal. Like when you leave.

Our athletes should be like, Hey, where’s Avery? Where’s Brenda? Where’s Dawson? Where’s Justin? Like, they should be asking because you had an influence and impact. So you guys are doing awesome. Keep it up. Much appreciated, Coach.

[00:15:48] Brenda Savariego: Yeah. Yes, sir.

[00:15:49] Donnie Maib: Let’s go through, uh, let’s just talk about now switch gears. What maybe one lesson or one thing you feel like you learned.

It can be simple. It doesn’t have to be like this big, profound earth shattering thing, but it can be something outside the weight room. Being in a different city, what have you learned, uh, whether it’s about yourself or something educational from this internship? Let’s kick it off. Let’s go around the room.

[00:16:12] Justin Shelby: Yeah. The biggest takeaway I had, um, seeing this applied, uh, with a couple of coaches was the idea of like training through a competition. Um, so I think coach Mike Hanson, uh, working with women’s swim, I think I saw him do this the most, but. Yeah. Yeah. Like just the idea that like not every single meet that the the swimmers had they had to like peak or taper for and that idea of like maximizing training time and going into You know some competitions a little bit fatigued I thought that was super interesting and I think that kind of speaks to like having an idea of the bigger picture and the bigger plan and looking at like the entire macro cycle and then being able to kind Of then go into the the weeds from there Yeah, just from a programming perspective.

I thought that was really interesting You

[00:16:58] Donnie Maib: Yeah, and I think you cut to your point, it comes back to like, to link to Dawson being at Texas, like, what is your goal? We’re always striving to win a national championship or be in the top 10, right? CDC always talks about that, or AD. You gotta be in the top 10, you know, if you’re in the top 10 consistently, We got a shot to win it every year.

And so to your point, there’s going to be competitions. If that’s your goal, you’re gonna have to train through, keep the volume up, keep the intensity up, be a little fatigued, maybe you don’t do as well as you want, but then in the end you got a shot to make that run. So that’s good stuff.

[00:17:31] Avery Rodgers: Yeah, that’s good.

I would say I’ve learned that as well. Uh, something else I’ve learned is not being a wallflower as a coach, uh, your presence is needed as an intern and that’s why you’re here. So having to remind yourself of that and kind of go over the hump of the challenge of, dang, am I really needed? Yeah, you’re needed.

That’s why you’re here. So just really adapting to the fact that you’re needed and Being a wallflower is not what you want to be. Your presence is known and the ability to, in Texas weight room specifically, stand at the end of one rack and be able to see, maybe we’re doing trap bar deadlift with a team.

You can stand and see five people performing that exact movement and then, Obviously not all athletes do that the same, but you can pick up on seeing that many reps and that make you as a coach that much better. So just observing multiple things at once and then maybe honing down on one thing, but just the ability of not standing in one place or only talking to one athlete is something that I’ve really attached to in this internship.

[00:18:41] Brenda Savariego: Yeah, I agree with both of y’all. The biggest thing I’ve learned that I Coming into athletic performance, I thought that being an athletic performance coach, you had to be a certain way. And like, the stereotype was like, you have to be pretty strict and you don’t listen to your athlete. It’s what I say, not what the athlete says.

And for me, it was really interesting to see how, like, you have to wear different hats with every different team. And like, for me, it was like, well, I’m not going to approach a row, a rowing team the same way I’m going to approach our men’s swimming team. Because our rowing team, really, they thrive off of high energy, they get pumped, so I can be a little bit more encouraging and yelling and raise my voice a little bit more.

But when it comes to men swimming, they’re a little more reserved, they’re really dialed in to their training, so I can’t be like yelling because then they’re going to look at me and be like, um, are you okay? We get it, we have to get it done. So like really, especially as an intern, like the coach, Mike would stress, be observant the first two weeks, see what the team needs and where you can add value to it and just being able to see that really helped me put different hat hats and just made me a better performance coach or coach in general.

[00:19:57] Dawson Dinh: Yeah, absolutely. I think it goes back to what Avery said about being a chameleon, right? Like, you gotta be able to adapt and match their energy levels and just not be a fake you, but just wear different hats, right? Um, I do want to piggyback off what Avery’s just said earlier about, um, being a wallflower, but something that, I like to say, and I think I had told Justin this, um, when he initially came on to the internship, is you can’t be a fly on the wall, just kind of wandering around and like, observing for the entire semester, right?

Obviously, we want to take time to stay back a little bit, observe, learn the culture, and then step in, but I think for most of us, or anyone who’s trying to get into an athletic performance internship, what we’re trying to get out of it is to build our coaching skills and get experience at the end of the day.

And if that’s the case, you got to coach, right? And I think what helps you, um, to do that is to remember your job as an intern is to help the athletes train better. And if you’re just on the sidelines, you’re not doing that. So I think kind of just remembering that is going to be really helpful throughout your journey.

Um, but something else that I’ve learned is this is not really on things that, uh, like information wise, but something that I’ve really picked up on from the coaches is learning how to think critically and use reasoning when it comes to learning. Um, so, I think that there’s just so much information that we come across and you can’t always take things as they are.

So learning how to think for yourself and come up with your own conclusions is really important. Like, even the coaches here don’t always agree on certain training concepts or ideas all the time. And so, I think it was really important for me to find that in myself and, um, just really learn how to think for myself when it comes to my own learning and, and all that.

[00:21:52] Avery Rodgers: Yeah, I think going off of that, sorry, Donnie. Oh, you’re good, yeah. Um, using common verbiage is something that I’ve learned really well here and especially from our supervisor, Mike. Uh, just like being able to communicate to each other and, um, know what we’re talking about, you know, there’s so many concepts and situations in this performance world and us just being able to talk about it and know exactly what we’re talking about or even if we get confused we can kind of backtrack and then restate and I’ve learned that very well here and just using common verbiage and having the same, not necessarily the same ideas on everything, but being able to hone in on what you’re really trying to say.

So I like that.

[00:22:41] Donnie Maib: That’s good. Yeah, I think, you know, um, the thing that’s, listen, all of you, I think that’s so good what you guys are saying. When you start looking at internships again, obviously we’re talking about Texas, but it could be anywhere. It could be in a smaller D3 weight room. It could be in a D.

It could be You know, in a different job, um, every place, every place you go to intern has a different ethos, right? Always make the, the funny analogy. You come to my house, I’m from the country. We had a friend over this weekend. I take shoes off, I take shoes. No, man, leave your shoes on, man. It’s the country.

Like, come on in the house, man. Just, you ain’t put your feet on my couch, but come on in, you know, if you get dirt on the floor, we, we good, right? So you got to know the etiquette. And the culture and the ethos of any place you go to work. And to your point, Dawson, communication’s big to think critically, but also just like you’re watching programming, you got to know how to read people.

I can tell you on our staff right now, some of our staff are not morning people. I’m a little bit more like chipper. Cause I drink coffee and I’m up early. Not always, but most of the time there’s some people don’t want to speak in the mornings on our staff. You need to be a good reader of people. Right.

And so just knowing how to read people, knowing etiquette. What people like, don’t like when you come into that culture and not, you know, there’s not like a rule book people are going to handle hand you. But if you want to be successful and thrive in an internship, you’ve got to have good emotional intelligence, right?

I always say college to get through college. It takes about, I think they say the Tim Elmore talks about this in his book on leadership, 75%. IQ and 25 percent EQ to get through college. So you’re studying a lot, you’re taking courses, you’re learning, then you get thrown into the job market and it takes opposite.

It takes 75 percent EQ and not very much IQ, right? It’s your emotional intelligence, ability to read people and to have self awareness of how you’re coming off to others. And so that’s a skill that you cannot put a price tag on and learn. And I’ve seen coaches and interns, not really good at the X’s and O’s, but they got good EQ, they get opportunities more than I’ve seen people got really high IQ and they have the gift of.

Ticking people off because they don’t know how to communicate and read how they’re coming off and they rub people the wrong way So there is an art to this and there is again to your point all your points You got to know when you walk into an internship, how can you thrive and be successful and that’s you know adapting to that culture Yeah, I want to follow that up.

Yeah,

[00:25:27] Dawson Dinh: I think something that Initially, I struggled with coming on in my first semester of this internship was reading people and, uh, working with different people because I had worked at a local gym of mine for four years and it’s kind of the same environment for a while. So coming into this new environment is different and I had to learn the culture and.

I think what helped is just being persistent in wanting to learn to people, because there are certain, uh, individuals or staff that may come off initially cold, but in reality, it’s just that maybe you don’t know them as well, and they don’t know you, so you just kind of have to be persistent and understand that it’s going to take time to really get to know them.

[00:26:07] Donnie Maib: That’s

[00:26:07] Dawson Dinh: good. Anybody

[00:26:08] Donnie Maib: else to add to

[00:26:08] Dawson Dinh: that? Anything?

[00:26:11] Brenda Savariego: A thought came to mind, and it was like, sometimes, because we’re all in school here, so, school and internship and then some of us work on the side like it can become a lot and very overwhelming and so for me what helps me is I have to check myself and I have to remind myself that this is an opportunity an opportunity for growth to learn and just really to like At the day, like, I’m there to learn and I was chosen out of all the applicants I get, uh, uh, that apply, like, we were chosen, right?

And so, we don’t have to, but we get to. And when I get lost inside and I’m like, I, I sort of get this little ego to myself and just too much confidence. I’m like, hey, Brenda, like, chill. We Remember, we’re here, we’re blessed, we get to learn from these amazing people, and we, we get to do this. Um, especially when you get, like, really tired, it’s like, we need that juice.

What is going to give me that juice? More juice! Juice! Uh, so yeah. Hey, I get to do this. I get to work with y’all. I love it. Yeah,

[00:27:10] Donnie Maib: you made me think that I was studying something recently, and it was pretty profound. It was, the title of this article was like, the four things you can never get back, right? And so, the first one was These are all kind of metaphors, but the stone after it’s been thrown, right?

Doing stuff out of anger and haste. That’s one. Two is like, um, the words after they’ve been spoken, right? Words are powerful. Careful what you say. Third one was the occasion after the loss, right? Um, something bad happens or something good happens. There’s an occasion there you probably need to capture.

But the fourth one to your point is the time after it’s gone. And so an internship is a phenomenal opportunity if you’ll be present. Right. And I think that’s a challenge to what I hear you saying for even for me, I mean, as a, I’m a dad, I’m a husband, I’m a director, I do stuff on the side, I’m an entrepreneur, I do ministry stuff too, right?

So to be present when you’re in that weight room with your athletes and coaches, you really got to be able to focus. And so that’s, that’s a good point. Good stuff right there.

[00:28:23] Avery Rodgers: Yeah, I, I could be honest and say the beginning of this was hard for me moving from so far away. And I loved, uh, The fact of being present and adjusting to the struggle and Not taking advantage of where you’re at because you’re there for a reason and I love that I get to like you’re here and you get to so that was a struggle I had had to overcome and now all of a sudden I have a week left of this internship and I’m like, well crap, but you know It’s been such a blessing and it’s definitely something that I learned is to not take advantage of your time somewhere

[00:28:56] Donnie Maib: My first years at Texas I was you know, I can’t believe I’m saying this I was like in my late 20s and that’s true.

I was a young coach You You know, like you guys, I started out as an intern for about six months, moved to a part time, this was at the University of Colorado before I came here, so I was intern, part timer, then full time, that happened over a span of four years, came here as a young full time coach.

There’d be days I would come in here discouraged, long hours. I got my butt chewed by my boss. Um, athletes didn’t want to listen to me. Um, my sport coaches didn’t like what I was doing. I was racking my brain. And so I would come in here and, and there’d be days I did not like what I was doing, but what I found out was the, the, the secret sauce, so to speak, or the, the kind of, What is it, the um, when you get snakebitten, what is that called?

The antidote. The antidote is if you walk in that room, And you start encouraging your athletes and helping them, all of a sudden, after the day’s over, you’re like, dude, I’m in a much better mood. Yes, for sure. And so now you’re not focusing on how bad your situation is, and you’ve become a lifter, not a leaner.

And so that’s, that’s really helped me in my career and even still helps me now. But that’s what I hear you guys saying. So yeah, I love that.

[00:30:19] Avery Rodgers: Donnie, you do a really good job. I’m, I’m up pretty early with you with volleyball a lot of mornings and as soon as you walk in, I forget what time it is, you know, and I think I’ve learned that from you and how you’re just like, let’s go, Texas, let’s go.

And it’s just go time. And then you forget that it’s five in the morning, you know, and I just love that

[00:30:37] Donnie Maib: you that switch. Yeah. Um, Let’s go to another question. These are good. These are, you guys are awesome. So this one, I’m really excited about this one. Um, so let’s just talk about how do you guys like to learn from coaches?

What older coaches could know about this generation? So coach me up. I’m getting, I’m the, I can’t believe I’m the older coach now, which is wild. Coach us up all the old dinosaurs that are listening or the older generation. Throw us a lifeline. What you got? Let’s kick it off. Justin, you go first. Sure. One thing

[00:31:09] Justin Shelby: I really liked was just not being directly handed the answer to questions like we were always encouraged to Ask a bunch of questions and come with good questions.

Um, but a lot of times, even if you ask the question, we wouldn’t be given the answer. We’d be told to just look into it more. Uh, and the best example I had was, uh, with coach Clint Martin, uh, when, when he was still here, um, working with women’s golf together, I remember asking him a question about like, Because that’s obviously a big part of golf and why they were doing it a certain way and you just like just go figure it out.

And then I took about a week and a half and then I presented him my ideas and he’s like, this is good, but it’s a lot deeper than that. Go, go figure it out. And then I think I had to just. Write out like every single exercise one by one and then slowly started to get it more and more and then By the end of it.

He was like, this is really well done. Like this is the deepest anybody’s thought through it So it felt really reassuring And I definitely felt like I learned a ton more that way than just being told like oh, yeah We do this because of we do a because of be here or whatever it is.

[00:32:10] Donnie Maib: That is so a beautiful Jedi Knight, sorry, older generation reference there, Star Wars, um, uh, methodology.

So here, here’s what I got on this. So the book I highly recommend reading is called Generation Z Unfiltered by Tim Elmore. To your point, this generation, the research they’re showing is, and this is, and I’m guilty of this. I’m a parent of this generation. So I’m talking to D Maid right here, is prescriptive versus descriptive, all right?

Prescriptive. Leadership. Hey, Avery, get up at 5 a. m. Pack your bag. Come downstairs. Make your breakfast. Check your phone for notifications from school. I’ll have your water bottle ready on the thing. Pack your little, we’re going to get in the car at 10 till 7. Um, you know, it’s like I just have a, as a parent, I have a list of checks of what I’m doing with you to make sure you don’t miss anything.

I’ve seen our coaches do this with our athletes. Descriptive is different. Hey, we’re going to school in the morning at, uh, seven. Be ready. Well, what do I need to do to be ready? Figure it out. Be ready. I don’t know. Get ready the night before. That’s up to you. You want to, you want to be pressed for time and scramble?

That’s you, but seven o’clock, train’s leaving. You’re in or you’re out. ’cause I gotta go to work that’s descriptive. And I’ve done some of this with our athletes and it’s fun to see. They really don’t know. Some of ’em will just be frozen. What do I do? You need to talk, Hey, how about this? Talk to your teammate.

Come up with an idea of how to solve that problem. They probably got some ideas. That’s good. And now they don’t have any to Dawson or they don’t, they don’t have to think critically. ’cause they’re used to like, Hey, you need to do this, this, this, and this. Right. And so they don’t know how to think. And here’s the problem, what we don’t see today, ’cause we’re scrolling all the time.

We don’t ever reflect. We just, we consume content. So, but there’s so much in doing, trying something, make a mistake, reflecting on it, learning the lesson and move forward. Awesome.

[00:34:22] Avery Rodgers: Yeah, that’s good. Um, I would say building relationships just because of the, the gaps that there are just learning about each other and maybe not always talking about.

Sports performance and maybe just learning about what’s your favorite food? Like what’s your favorite exercise stuff like that? I just I love building relationships I’m big on quality time and we also as coaches and our head coaches that were under Don’t have a lot of time on our plates and I just love the fact that we honor each other’s times and take advantage of Or trying to take advantage of learning to know about each other and asking any questions How are you and like just going from there and that’s what I love about it And I think that sometimes older coaches could do a better job of that.

[00:35:14] Brenda Savariego: Yeah, I agree for me When I think about like how I want to learn from a coach I think of being of service to the coach first and Then you come to find out the more that you’re helping them with anything Um, you know Setting up or breaking down or just getting papers or whatever. Uh, they’ll start talking to somebody else and then they’re just dropping knowledge.

Like I remember this one instant with you, coach Donnie, when we were in the beginning, I was still with volleyball. Like you were working on this athlete and she had a very tight back and then you were just dropping a lot of like wisdom and these terms that I had no idea what they were. And I was like, I need to go home and search these up.

But for me, the best way I learned from older coaches, just like. I don’t want to say being stingy, but like, kind of seeing what they’re doing, and how I can apply it to myself, and make it my own way. Not necessarily mimic them, but how am I, why are they doing it a certain way, and how can I apply it to Brenda?

[00:36:18] Donnie Maib: That’s good. Good stuff.

[00:36:20] Dawson Dinh: Yeah, that’s good. Um, I kind of had the same thought process as Justin here, so I’m gonna answer this not as how I, I think our generation would like to learn from older coaches, but I think how we should and what’s most beneficial for us is that what I found is the best way to learn has some form of struggle within that.

And so to what Justin was saying, if, you know, there’s no struggle or work to find your answer, it just doesn’t work. You know, this is something about working towards that answer that helps you remember and really, uh, relate to the things that you find. And I think that because in this day and age where information is so easily accessible, there’s like, we just consume.

I think you said that earlier. We consume a lot of information, but we don’t seek challenges when it comes to learning, uh, because it’s just. So I think that as older coaches, maybe providing an optimal environment of challenge and struggle for, um, our interns to find answers is really the big key.

[00:37:33] Avery Rodgers: That’s good, Dawson.

[00:37:34] Donnie Maib: Yeah, and I think, uh, Avery, kind of going back to, uh, To you. Um, I think one thing when I was a young coach, I really, and I still struggle with sometimes, but you, when you start looking at people, everybody’s busy, right? Everybody’s got a lot going on. And I had a guy tell me this years ago, but you got to pursue people and be like, Hey coach, when can, can we just grab coffee or, or Hey, uh, can I just sit out?

I want to pick your brain about this. And sometimes I got, I’ll tell you, for example, my, um, early at Texas, my boss. There was always something going on and I would avoid him because he always seemed intense and offish. But then what happened was, when I would see him, because I didn’t have, I wasn’t building rapport with him, I thought the worst.

There was insecurity in me. And so that just made my Kind of anxiety go up because I always thought the worst and it created tension between us. What I started doing I would find just super casual organic times I would watch his habits and I’d go and just visit with him At the end of the day. And next thing you know, we’re talking about my kids, then I’m finding out what’s going on with him.

Now, all of a sudden I’m like, I viewed him differently because he became a human, right? And so I think kind of part of this, this world we’re in, everybody’s pressed for time, really people are more likely to give you money than time. And so as you, you know, I just say to all our listeners and you guys, don’t be afraid to ask people for their time, you know, be prepared when you ask for it, but you can do that, you know, sometimes people will not.

give you their time but you can always ask for it and that’s, that’s something I’ve learned throughout the years. Anything else to add to that?

[00:39:28] Justin Shelby: I had one, one small thing to add to it, um, kind of piggybacking off of what Avery said too, um, I think one of the things that I really liked about Texas is, um, if you were to go off of, like, what the stereotypic, like, image of what an intern is, it’s, like, the person that goes, goes and grabs coffee, like, the bottom of the totem pole and stuff, and I’ve really appreciated how, like, I feel like here at Texas, like, we are treated, like, like our, the relationships are valued, like, um, when we ask for time, like, it’s Um, like at times we’re kind of seen, like we’re seen as people, I guess, rather than just like what that stereotypic image of an intern would be.

Um, and yeah, I’ve really kind of appreciated that too.

[00:40:07] Donnie Maib: Coaches, we’ve come a long way. I’m telling you, my internship in 94 Colorado. I definitely broke some labor laws. Uh, I literally scratched rust off the floor with a toothbrush, hung signs, picked up my boss kids, um, trained people for free. You name it, coach, I did it.

Probably some, you know, my former boss, he’s, God rest his soul, no longer alive, Doc Crease, I love him. He was, Incredible coach and leader and influence in my life. But internships back then we’ve come a long way. Those were probably definitely a little abusive maybe, but you know what I go? I like what Dawson said.

You know, it does need to challenge you a little bit. It should be uncomfortable, not in a negative way, uh, but it shouldn’t make you kind of get out of your comfort zone and have to stretch yourself if you want to grow, if it’s too easy, you know, but I know like the way we lead our staff, we all, we love working with people.

So that’s a compliment. Uh, so I appreciate you saying that anything else to add to any of this. I

[00:41:13] Dawson Dinh: just say, I guess our generation also has to learn to just be grateful sometimes.

[00:41:18] Donnie Maib: Yeah, no, it’s, it’s definitely, uh, things change and we’re definitely in a better place because I definitely was, uh, some of those stories are horrific.

I can laugh at them now, but I wasn’t, I was, I was not laughing then. I can tell you this. I literally had, uh, one real quick. Not to divulge too much, but my boss literally, he moved into a new home and he had me hang all of his pictures of his awards and paint his kitchen and line off his basketball court for his kids.

I’m not kidding. As an, I wasn’t, I was actually, I think it was part time at the time. Anyway. Yeah, that’s kind of stuff we did back then, but we’re not going to make y’all do that, so you’re safe. You’re safe. Um, Any advice for any new interns listening today? What you got for us? Dawson, let’s go opposite now.

Dawson, Dawson, what you got?

[00:42:04] Dawson Dinh: Yeah.

[00:42:04] Donnie Maib: Um,

[00:42:05] Dawson Dinh: let’s see. I think a big one would be that effort drives opportunity. Um, it can be a common thing, right. To give advice that, you know, you just gotta give a lot of effort. But I think that there’s a reason why people say that is because you really do get out what you put in.

And I think just really being diligent. And any task or assignment that you have, whether they’re small or big and putting your best into that

[00:42:33] Brenda Savariego: is

[00:42:33] Dawson Dinh: going to really show how invested you are into the team and the, in the process of your own development. And so other people will be willing to give their time and give their efforts into you as well so that you can grow from that.

Um, so yeah, any, any little small, bigger or big thing that you have. Um, responsibility that you have like go all in on that and then that’s just going to open a lot of different doors for you to continue to build on, uh, what you got. I love it. Yeah. Love it.

[00:43:05] Brenda Savariego: Yeah. Piggybacking off of that, like, don’t be afraid to be different.

And I, I can’t stress that enough because for so long I thought I had to be a certain way and I had to fit in and fit the stereotypical needs. And I’m, I’m just so passionate about like, Be yourself. Like, just don’t be afraid to be different, to go the extra mile, to do things that you don’t see other people doing.

All good things, not the bad things. But, just, Really just be, be yourself and be different. Um, cause once you start playing that comparison game, most of the time you’re going to lose. I’ve lost probably every single one. Um, and self doubt it, it doesn’t go away. So don’t be afraid to be different one thing at a time.

At the end of the day, we’re here for a reason and we have a mission to accomplish. Just go and do it.

[00:43:53] Avery Rodgers: That’s good, Brenda. Um, I have a couple of things, but to narrow it down, I’m a big believer in quality over quantity and not saying don’t do the hours of work, do the hours of work, but make sure when you have a little time off to fill your own cup up because when your cup’s full, you can pour into your athletes, you can help your coaches more efficiently, and I’m a big believer in the work versus life balance and those days, like Sundays are my days.

You know, take those days to reset, recharge, and then be at your best Monday morning. And I think that’s a really big thing to learn at our, in our generation is you have to take time for yourself too, and not to be selfish, but that’s almost on Sundays. That’s unselfish of me to do because I’m trying to be my best for those around me.

Um, another one is like loving your passion and the word passion in German actually means being able to endure hardship. And I think that’s a really big thing to learn. I am a big believer on being passionate about something and but don’t burn yourself out of your passion. Don’t let yourself burn out.

[00:45:00] Justin Shelby: I think that’s really good.

Um, mine’s kind of similar to yours, Brenda. Um, I think just going along with that, like be yourself. Um, I think coming into the internship initially, like I felt that pressure that we talked about earlier. Um, and I really, really wanted to be a good job, or do a good job, and I think I kind of sacrificed, like, quote unquote, like, being a normal human being at times, um, in order to do that, where, like, I felt like I was really kind of rigid and stiff and, um, like, over analyzing everything that was happening, um, in an effort to do a good job, and, um, After kind of like, re evaluating a little bit, I realized like, yeah, just be yourself, you know, do the things that you can do, you don’t have to come in here and try to be a coach that you think you’re supposed to be, just be the best version of yourself and, and you’ll do a good job.

[00:45:45] Dawson Dinh: I had another piece of advice. Go for it, yeah. Yeah, um, I think there’s a common advice that people give, which is, you know, don’t be afraid to make mistakes, but I think it’s really hard to control yourself being afraid of making mistakes. Rather, I think that you should learn how to bounce back from mistakes.

And, um, that’s an important key when it comes to internships. Uh, I have a funny story. You probably remember coach in the beginning of my internship here, uh, one of the first few weeks, I didn’t really know what the, uh, expectations were. This was my first internship ever. And so coach kind of caught me. I looked like I was slacking off, but let’s just leave it at that.

Anyways, he got on me about it and. At that point, I was like, man, I really messed this up. Um, but I could have done one of two things. I could have, you know, decided, man, this is just gonna go to, uh, go to crap for the rest of the semester, or, uh, I could try to turn it around and give it my best and see what I can make out of it.

And I think hopefully that’s what I’ve done so far, but to the other interns out there, if you make mistakes in your internship, that doesn’t mean you’ve lost your opportunity. It just means that. It’s an opportunity to actually to bounce back even better than you had came into the internship. So,

[00:47:08] Donnie Maib: yeah, no, I would say, you know, just to speak directly to that, that, that really changed my whole perception of you.

You took the feedback, um, received it. You didn’t get mad or pout, uh, avoid me. You, you, you, you try to improve. And from that point on, my. Respect for you. I respected you already, but it just grew immensely. And I was like, Hey, he’s actually here to help and give back. He’s not here just to take. And so there’s something I, cause even, you know, you didn’t know this, but it goes to staff to go, man, there’s something about Dawson.

I like, and it was after that incident, you, you made some changes and we’re trying harder. And I said, he’s, there’s something different about him. And then again, you know, Here we are. You’re in the podcast studio, obviously, but so kudos to you. You took it, and that’s not always easy to do, so it’s not always a fun thing to go through, and it can be uncomfortable, but you handled it great, so we appreciate you.

[00:48:08] Justin Shelby: Yeah,

[00:48:08] Donnie Maib: I appreciate that.

[00:48:08] Brenda Savariego: Yeah, Dawson.

[00:48:09] Avery Rodgers: Yeah, I, um, Dawson actually shared that story with me because I had, not a similar situation, but I felt like I had failed, and as we know, failure equals growth, and you don’t win if you don’t ever fail, if you don’t face adversity, and Dawson was very vulnerable enough to tell me that story, and I was like, that makes me feel actually so much better.

So, thank you, Dawson. Of

[00:48:32] Brenda Savariego: course. I just want to add something real quick that, uh, When we had our practical and we had to, uh, teach a lift and I felt like I fell on my feet and just did, in my eyes, I did absolutely terrible, like, worse and worse. But Coach Klim really told me, he’s like, the good, the good thing is that you play, you, you’re working in sports.

You know what that means you get another chance So that really like you’re right. I do get another chance and although I like felt terrible that whole day that next day. I Coach might give me the opportunity to lead the warm up for the rowers and I was like i’m going to literally Be the best warm up coach ever.

I love it. And it was great because I was like, I came in, I was like, nope, nobody’s stopping me. And, and if Brenda says you’re not stopping me, nah, you’re not, you’re really not. And it was great because then Coach Mike was like, yeah, it looks like you really prepared for this. I was like, I prepared because I did terrible yesterday.

And then dialed in. Yeah, we locked, we locked in. Uh, um. And even, like, the girls were like, yeah, I really like that warm up, and I was like, heck yes! Yes! Yes!

[00:49:42] Donnie Maib: Yes! Love it. Well, hey, we’re kind of getting close to the end here. We’re going to do one fun question, and then I want to close it off with one more thing.

Favorite restaurant or food to eat in Austin? If you don’t have a restaurant, then give me an event you’ve done or something you’ve done in Austin that you just love. It was amazing. Athletic performance clinic. Right. Good job. We’re going to pay you for that. So yeah, let’s just, let’s go back Justin, uh, favorite food or something fun you’ve done in Austin as an intern.

[00:50:21] Justin Shelby: I’ll say, um, I’m kind of like streaky in a way, like I like things, like I’m on that Kanye West, uh, wave now, so I’m kind of like on a Hawaiian food wave right now. Cool. Hawaiian Bros. You just had that earlier. He did. You did? What’s your, what’s your go to? That’s the name of the place? Yeah, Hawaiian Bros.

And what do you, what do you order there? What do you get? Um, it’s always like, I feel like with Hawaiian food, the selection isn’t that, like, big. It’s just like chicken, rice, and like mac salad. But it’s so, now I want to go get some. It’s so good. So good. Right. So good. Awesome.

[00:50:52] Avery Rodgers: Um, so being new to Austin, I had to try all the authentic Mexican food.

So I would say Matt’s El Rancho, my aunt and uncle took me there and the Bob Armstrong dip, phenomenal. Yeah.

[00:51:07] Donnie Maib: Yeah. It makes you just, it’s like a liquid crack.

[00:51:09] Avery Rodgers: Yeah. And they make their chips out of whole tortillas. Now I want to go eat.

[00:51:13] Donnie Maib: All y’all make me want to go eat. So, do you like the ambiance, or is it the food, or is it both?

[00:51:18] Avery Rodgers: Uh, I would say both.

[00:51:20] Donnie Maib: Cause I’m a Tex Mex guy. Okay. And again, I’m a little bit of a, I love Chewies. You been to Chewies?

[00:51:26] Avery Rodgers: Uh, I’ve been to Chewies in Alabama.

[00:51:28] Donnie Maib: Uh, Chewies, no, Chewies started I think in Austin. You gotta go there. Okay. You gotta go here. You gotta at least try it a real one. Just, before you leave, you gotta at least try it.

[00:51:37] Brenda Savariego: For me, moving to Austin from home, uh, my mom cooks really good, authentic Mexican food, and I really miss that. So I kept looking and I found this place. It’s pretty solid. It’s called Mi Tradicion, and they sell sweet bread, or what we call pan dulce. Okay, and Like, I eat it and I’m like, I’m home. And they also have these tortillas, tortillas, tortillas that are blue.

Um, and you put like brisket or just like, um, Uh, meat with cheese and salsa, and it’s just

[00:52:12] Donnie Maib: You got us all salivating. Yeah. I’m like Kevlov’s dog over here. Let’s go

[00:52:17] Brenda Savariego: eat. I’m like, oh, I want to go right now. But yeah, that’s mi tradición.

[00:52:22] Dawson Dinh: Man, I actually haven’t explored much of Austin’s food, even though I’ve been here for the past one and a half years.

You got something else? Um, man, uh, I think I’m just a really big fan of desserts. Oh,

[00:52:37] Donnie Maib: do tell.

[00:52:38] Dawson Dinh: So if you guys actually have any places for me, cause I actually, I just haven’t tried many places. Oh, yeah. I got some.

[00:52:45] Donnie Maib: Yeah. Yeah, dude. So you need to go over to Baked Bear. Okay. Baked Bear. But you, you need a lot of room because it’s a cookie, uh, big as your head with ice cream on it.

Ooh. And you’re going to be slumped afterwards. I need that. So it’s called Baked Bear. That’s a good one. Uh, Amy’s ice cream. If you like ice cream, it’s really good. Okay. How does that

[00:53:04] Dawson Dinh: compare to Jennie’s Ice Cream? I’ve been to Jennie’s Ice Cream. I don’t know about Jennie’s, I’ve never been to Jennie’s, but

[00:53:08] Donnie Maib: um, Amy’s is where they break it up with the paddles, and Oh, the rolls.

They put the ice cream rolls, and they mix up the fixings in it. Anyway, I’m gonna go get one right now.

[00:53:18] Brenda Savariego: On

[00:53:18] Dawson Dinh: the way. I got a big sweet tooth, so I just gotta, I gotta go out and find these places. But big sweet tooth. Was it bear or something? Baked bear. Baked bear. I gotta try that. Gotta

[00:53:27] Donnie Maib: try that. They’re not paying me either.

I’m just, um, I think you heard, I like breakfast tacos. So I, we’ve talked about it on the show before. Awesome. Let’s, let’s get everybody that’s listening. We’ll close it off with your, where can the listeners, Get contact if they want to follow up, reach out and just connect with you. Let’s go with the Dawson.

[00:53:47] Dawson Dinh: Yeah, uh, you can find me probably easiest on Instagram at Dawson Din. That’s my full name. So it’s Dawson. Last name is D I N H. Yeah, just feel free to hit me up. I’m open to anybody. Um, yeah. Want to talk shop or something like that?

[00:54:03] Brenda Savariego: Yeah, same here. Instagram would probably be the most feasible choice. Um, it’d be my name as well.

Brenda Savariego. S A V A R I E G O. Um, yeah. Same thing as Dawson. Let’s talk. Whatever you want. Whatever you need, I’m happy to help. Yeah, I love it.

[00:54:20] Avery Rodgers: I would also say Instagram. Um, Avery with two Y’s. A V E R Y Y dot Rogers. And Rogers has a D in it with two S’s at the end. Yes, but I love chatting. So I’m here for anybody.

[00:54:37] Justin Shelby: I’m also Instagram. Um, I’m also an online personal trainer. So you’ll see some content on the Instagram. It’s Tobu Fitness. T O B U. Fitness. And if you’re a fan of ultimate Frisbee, you’ll see some clips on there as well.

[00:54:51] Dawson Dinh: That’s our generation coaches, Instagram all day. No,

[00:54:53] Donnie Maib: I love it. I do it for the gram too.

So just quick, we’ll close it out, but Justin, uh, has really helped us with our social media. So if you’ve seen some new posts recently, that’s kudos to Justin and the team here. Uh, they’ve done a phenomenal job just building that out. And, uh, again, another way you guys have just added value to our staff and made our department better.

So couldn’t thank you enough. Um, well, that’s it for the show again. Thank you. We have amazing, bright, young coaches here. You heard where they’re from. You could connect with them. They are for hire here in the near future. It’s just shameless plug there. Um, but Again, thank you guys so much for being in the studio, but more importantly, for investing in our coaches, staff, in our athletics department, and our athletes.

More importantly, it’s always about our student athletes, and you guys have made us better this semester. So thank you. Thanks for having us on Coach. Thank you. for having us. You got it. Well, hey, that’s it from the Team Behind the Team podcast. We will catch you next time, and you guys have a good one. Hook em horns.

[00:55:54] Brenda Savariego: Hook em.

[00:55:54] Donnie Maib: Hook em. Thanks so much for tuning in and listening to this episode of the Team Behind the Team podcast. For future episodes, go to iTunes, Spotify, Google Podcasts, or Stitcher. We definitely want to keep having great guests on the show and great content. So if you have a moment, please go to iTunes, leave a rating and review, and let us know how we’re doing.

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