E1 | Cal Dietz: Strength and Conditioning

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Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the team behind the team podcast. I’m
your host, Donny mayb-, and we are so excited about our next guest
that we’re having in the studio. Coach Cal Dietz is here in the studio.
We also have with us Coach Mike Hansen, who’s going to be my co-host today as we get into
the conversation. Carl fallowed everybody today. Hey there, coach. How you doing? Good
to be here with you guys. Thanks for having me. It’s really awesome to be down here in Longhorn Country.
Good to have you here. Coach, I’m sure it’s a little warmer than it is in Minnesota. It was 20
below with the wind chill this morning. Really? Yeah, it was tough, right? Five
degrees, about five degrees below. Okay. Good to have you. Maybe a little warm weather for
for for a few days helping. Hopefully enjoy that. I will. And coach Mike Hansen, the co-host today.
Mike, welcome to the show. Yes, sir. Happy to be here. I appreciate you making time. Before
we get Hindery thing, a little bit about the podcast for. For all the new listeners
that coming on board, this is really a podcast that’s directed
towards the five buckets or streams of the performance
team that surrounds athletes today. Everything’s been moving towards this kind of team based performance model.
And so we’re talking about strength, conditioning, sports, nutrition, athletic training,
mental health, and then applied sports science, which is fairly new here in the U.S. So
that’s subjective. How do those groups work together, communicate the systems,
how they make the athlete better, take better care of them, provide better services, and ultimately just
raise a performance and win more championships? So it’s all about the team behind the team. That’s objective. So
with that, Coach Hansen wants you introduced. I know he doesn’t really need the introduction. I think so many people don’t
give a little bit about our guest today and we’ll get it going from there. Yeah. The man who probably
doesn’t need an introduction, but for those of those lists knows he listeners who are unfamiliar with Cal.
He’s the associate director of performance at Minnesota, coaching primarily with men and women’s hockey.
He’s the newly head strength and conditioning coach with USA Women’s Hockey Insulations coach. Thanks.
And he’s also the author of Chart Basic Training amongst many other manuals.
So we extend a big welcome to Cal. Cal, can you kick us off by introducing yourself to our
listeners, possibly speaking about how you got to where you are today,
as well as some of the other ventures that you’ve taken on? Yeah, you know, I I guess
people ask me, you know, how I got in the field, really. It was, I think through just
hard work. And coaches knew I was interested in training because when coach made it here and I
started in, the profession was young. Right. And I was a G-A
when I started. But it was a coach that had recruited me. And he said,
hey, coach Minnesota called me. This guy was in another school and said, hey, I know a guy is really interested
in spring training at the end of his college career. So I went on to Minnesota, interviewed. I didn’t really know a whole lot.
Let’s be honest, I trained, but that was it. And then through hard work,
I did the G-A, I think. And then I did the G-A left for a year
and then came back. And honestly, there was a number of people interviewing for the job. And there had been G-8’s
before. But one of the coaches told me, you know what, during your G-A, you were there. And it was it
was a hard situation. Right. I mean, I went to class every night from 6:30 to 9,
was up at 5:00 in the morning or 4:30 grind. And, you know, every day. And this is only time I
could take classes, basically. So you were the only one that didn’t complain? I think
that maybe that’s where they hired me 20 years ago when I went back for the interview, asking for more.
All right. The only one who didn’t complain about the situation, the money the whole day, I just was I got
nothing we could do about it. So let’s just keep rolling, right. So I learned to, you know, eat those
those sandwiches the day the taste great, you know, crap sandwiches. All right. And
it’s really, you know, some taste worse than others. But even my job, you know, every job has that, whether
you love your job or not. There’s always those things you don’t want to do. Right. So the meal replacement shakes for what I went
way right. When I was G-A. Yeah, it was. They had I think it assessed
call that people drink at the time that was only ready to mate. And I think
they probably I don’t have much money to eat. So I think I left I walked in my G-A
out of my playing days at like 3:10 and I ended up at 240 because it’s so bad. Well, I just
didn’t have that much. You know, I lost weight. And I could remember a few days most of time
when I was worrying. Football is just one meal a day that I had and I tried to get some more, but then I lived.
And then how about those? There were some bars. It was the power bars. I mean, there’s so much about those things and they’re terrible.
Well, there’s so much better now. Right. I think I’ll do it right. The first ones that were
hard and chewy like. Right. Oh, how coach got rocks and gravel. Yeah. Well back in the. And I had to.
They were effective. But going in there hurt your jaw. Then really go.
I mean I needed some five or something. Right. It was it was a tough deal that. But anyway,
so. And I love the profession. And I always had a quest
to get better. I think even just about a month and a half ago, I had a day where I read something.
We don’t have much going on. It was a game day, but I got in at 6:30. I read something
and I started down a rabbit hole. And I realized by 5:30 that night,
four had warned the team I had need anything because I went down a rabbit hole for about 10 hours.
And you forgot the day. I don’t even know if I went to the restroom. Mm hmm. And that that’s those are the days
that keep me. That’s what I love about this profession. And the beauty of it is it’s not something that’s
just one isolated group like these silos. You talk of coach
nutrition plays a role in everything. Nobody really knows the parts of tri aphasic.
I mean, you centric face. I think people can figure it out. But what nutrition do you need to recover from the
youth centric phase to try to feel different? Right. Well, yeah, you need some very specific stuff like bone broth and
in the collagen, you know, all that stuff is it’s the ideal time to take all that to rebuild. Yeah. All right.
So those are the type of things and I think we’re lucky because it is a multi-disciplined field.
Right. So you take all those things that are variables in this and I’m sure the
research doubles every year. Now, the amount of information you could read your price are reading now.
Never Ketchell. So you’re going. Yeah. That’s that’s the fun part
to me is that never ending quest? And what keeps me up is is
really at night you’re going, Hey, Imai, given these athletes
everything I can, I mean I give them everything knowledge I can. But is it really enough?
There’s nothing I can do because I only know what I know. Right. So my limiter here is I know what I know, but
that’s scary that I’m going to miss something. Right. And hopefully I just
try to keep winning. Right. That’s why I’m in here, too. You know what? What year are you in right now? Coach of
coaching. Yes. Who? I think I’m in probably twenty three. Yeah.
You’re twenty three. Twenty four. Yeah. What’s behind it. It goes by fast. Wow.
Well especially the grind that we’re in, you know, twelve, thirteen, 14, 16 hour days
and then we’re like, oh you know because I’ve worked factory jobs that
I’ve worked eight hours when I was in college, it seemed way longer than 16 hour day coaching, you know. Yeah.
Yeah. Well said. Right. So I’m going, wow, that was fun. That was a good
day. And if you win. You know, I had a fortunate two to
meet with some pretty league coaches and one team ask me, why do you get in the game? And I’m like, well, I’m going to walk
into arena and look over to other team and say, there’s no way you can beat us today. That’s a good
feeling. Right. That’s a good number. Yeah. Confidence, right. Just say,
hey, we’ve done everything we can. You just can’t beat us. Do you still feel as competitive
today as you did when you entered the field? I think I’m more wiser.
I. Yeah, I mean, there’s no doubt because, you know, I think it just maybe looks differently. Yeah. I take the losses
a little harder. And I think I’ve got to be aware that I don’t take the wins. I don’t I don’t enjoy
it as much as I used to. You know, I mean. Yeah, I know you hate to lose more than you love to win. That’s the
adage. Right. And I think, you know, you win a national title when I was young. How about this?
I think I skipped six White House trips with my teams.
Right. I had six opportunities, I’ve won 11 national titles, it’s interesting, Minnesota and skipped
six trips because I had other teams train. I’m like, I’m not going to miss Sedately or the White House. Yeah,
I’m going what I did. And I haven’t been I’ve never
been there. So the next one, I win. I need to go if it’s an option. Right. Because
you’re young in your career. You want, man. Oh, I got more necessary. I mean, I just figured
out someday. But those are things. Yeah. You let go when you’re young. No, it’s definitely. I agree with
you. You got as I’ve gotten older, too. Definitely. You’ve got to be careful. The winning
can be, especially if you’re part of it. You’re part of an elite program like yourself and you’ve
got your teams away a lot. It can become you could take it for granted, you know. And
I think to just. And I’m sure you can speak to this, too, Kyle. But the pressure, I feel
like on coaches has increased somewhat just because of budget and finances.
And I don’t know that they’re giving people the same amount of time to turn a program around
that they did maybe ten, fifteen years ago, you know. So no. And there’s all there is. I
feel there’s more pressure because with social media, there’s more notoriety about the program versus one outlet.
And maybe that paper really likes the coach. So give him more time frame. Right. But now
social media and the people that can just make comments and all that. It’s a tough deal, right? And it makes
coaching. So pressure, it’s more pressured. Right. Because you’re
going man with that. There’s that short timeframe. And then do do do we change our philosophies?
And I mean, Coach, I think you’ve got into this business to help people because you felt you could make an impact.
Right. And we do. I mean, it’s well known that coaches may make more of an impact in a young kid’s
life than then maybe some of the educators not thinking thing way from then. Or maybe they’re
their religious leaders right in. Or if these kids and how many kids,
you know, that didn’t have a great home, that you made an impact on their lives. Right. And for
me, that that that make an impact on young athletes, life has been big because
I guess when I was young, I didn’t appreciate it as much or didn’t understand the impact I was making. But.
But now, Coach, you see, a kid I walked into a hockey arena, is one of my track athletes.
He’s on the hockey board. He’s a big time business man in his community. When I saw him and
he told me what he was doing and how this kid was making an impact. It’s all his kids play hockey.
He also ran track some. They were old enough now, but he’s on the hockey board is the president association, which is
big in Minnesota because these are big organizations. Right? It’s crazy. And he’s a business owner
and he and he has a coming employs like 15 people. You’re going. I was like,
I must say that, you know, inside I’m smiling. You like it’s kind of like, oh,
it’s a good cry, Joy inside. I’m not going to cry. Right. But you’re going inside me. I’m going, man.
The impact that we make. And I don’t know if that takes time to make impact,
right? I don’t know. With the pressure of coaching nowadays, the little time
people have to turn programs around. If if us
as coaches are being like feel like we can make that bunch of an impact because
there’s so much pressure to win. That’s the hard part. You lost. Great loss.
And we don’t mean to. But it’s a it’s you wake up in the morning, you better hit the ground running
with the pressure coaching. Right. Very true. Yeah, that’s the hard part.
And I don’t I hope that the kids never get lost in that. I hope that I don’t.
But I’ve been in a field 20 years plus. I feel that I have some level of respect.
There’s things that I that young coaches do that I don’t have to do. You know, I mean, I don’t have to sell myself anymore, really.
I just don’t get the notoriety and credibility. Right. Yeah. And that that’s to me, I’m not a very good
salesman because I never have been. But, you know, when I was young, I did. But now, you know, you write
book and people think you’re you’re OK and whatever. You just let it ride.
I’m always just trying to get better. There’s things that I don’t have to pay attention to. You know, I mean, speaking
of books, what coach? What have you been working on lately? Peaky Emmanuel,
GPP. Matthew, what have you been up to, coach? Give us a little insight. Most of my manuals are really
like just lately, the stuff I’m doing right now. And then try Faizi too.
It’s been an ongoing process. But, you know, I get asked a lot and you’re ultimately going
up this last stuff. I came up with in regards to paralyzation and really it’s
kind of a rate limiter concept where you run a 20 hour dash and it take a 10 hour that
and it can identify your weakest link. And I had to confirm that was an optimal method
to train in this last summer. We did. And I think I’ve
held off tri aphasic, too, because of that, because I know that this system
is the ultimate way to train when I say that, at least what I know now because.
When I put the whole system together, it told me that the typical paralyzation models that
strength conditioning is followed for the last 50 60 years is only optimal
for 20 percent of the athletes that have been trained in them for elite athletes.
I think it’s pretty typical for a high school kid, but even your second third year
training in high school, you have a sound program. That same paralyzation model’s
not optimal in. What this does is it is a way for coaches to to optimize
what that kid needs for the next two to three weeks. Yeah. Essentially it highlights how fluid periodization
really is. Right? Right. And it’s not just how you can start here. You’re going to progress to this
and then you’re gonna end with this. Right? Right. And let’s say the typical patronization model that even mine
a kid would wait to week 8 or 9 to work the low lows. You
know, low load in the weight room, high speed stuff. We always did speed work, but I’m talking true speed in the weight
room. Well, what if he needed speed week 1? Right
now, I have kids that walk in the weight room and get speed week 1 because that’s the stats, the weakest link.
And then they progressed faster. So they’re able to push their limits even greater. And that’s that’s what’s going to
go and try fazing, too, right? Is that optimal? Yeah. Do you see that pride
more with. I would say like an example of like a football player is really strong. Right. Coming out of college
for the combine and they go they train more speed at the Commonwealth and they’re running quicker.
Well, it’s because they had a foundation, too, but they just trained them optimally. Right. Well,
that’s what he needed. Right. But but is that gonna make him a better player? Yeah. Does he block better now?
No, probably not. Yeah. Why not? Yeah. And then the other thing is the fact that
were the one thing that we can’t account for that guy is that he’s got experience. Right. So you like I see the all
time where we’re athletes have left me went somewhere else. We came back in, they tested, had one kid
that had left, came back. He moved back to Canada, came back. I think I’m faster. Well, he was 15
pounds lighter, but three tenths slower in his 20 hour dash time electronic
than he was with me. He thought he was better, but he’s just gotten better. Hockey over the years,
even my pros would actually get slower over time. A 35 year old pro, he’s slower
than he was when he came out of college with me. But he knows the game better. Right. And that’s the way it’s more efficient.
Knows the game in hockey is so dynamic where, you know, you eat if you know
where that guy’s gonna be. You can make the players come down and the ability to understanding what’s about to happen.
Right. You know, coach, even playing the line, a hand position, foot position. As time goes
on, you learn those things. And that’s the part, you know. It’s not always physical, but you better
be somewhat physical and be competent with your skillset. Or you just can’t. You’re just too slow to play. But
you know, this whole thing and this thing about the speed stuff, when they go to combine, they get faster. But but
then what happens a lot is when you only train speed. This is why training is a process where
guys will do is they’re training their tendons to become more stiff, but they’re not training
their muscles. And what are they do at the combine? Pull hamstrings all the time.
All the time. Why? Because they haven’t trained that muscle.
They’ve made their hamstrings, too. I’ve seen so many guys pull up
during the combine stuff and they just they’re not ready, you know. Been training for 10, 12 weeks.
I know. I love it of all speed. Yeah. Which trains attendants in the light weight.
This is why training is a process. Because you have to train the muscle. Then
the tendon, in my opinion. So they just needed probably two to three weeks of training the muscle in there somewhere.
On the flip, define power lifters, maybe running to more tendon issues.
Yes. Because they build the muscle. Right. Yeah, though. Well, what happens
is the Turtur pack, because they’ve worked their muscles so much and they haven’t trained that tendon. Right. So
they tend to tear that pecc muscle versus the tendon. So like some of the trainers
players will will strain a muscle. OK. Because they’re tended to stiff now.
But when they tear that pack. I’m sorry. But it’s that tendon. That’s right. Right. Right. Yeah. So the muscle superstrong
and the tendon breaks. You’re exactly right. I misspoke in the beginning, but. Yeah. So
you see the divot. That’s why this is a process again. You go strength, then speed.
And it kind of works itself out. Yeah. So just to just to come back
on that. So you talked to us earlier today. We were lucky enough to have you down to
speak to our staff. But you now use essentially a zero to a 20 meter
parameter to test an athlete to see what is there. Five dash like ten yard dash like 20
meter. And from there you can dictate, hey, this person is lacking in speed or this person is lacking
in power. Strength rubber may be correct and it’s at performance made simple Web
site and it’s free. You can just get your timing gate setup. You put a five yard dash in there, you put it ten, you put
a 20 and you can just do the 10, 20 if you want. But it just
so so I’ll talk people through it. If you’re quick at your 10 yard, but slower to second half, it’s gonna tell you
with your body weight, it’s going to tell you probably need power. Training in there is can tell
you you need speed. And then if you put the five yard dash in five yard
dash correlates with starting strength and that correlates with your isometric.
So then yeah I’m telling you I got a way that if they run this and they don’t need isometric striked,
I won’t have them do the full tri aphasic which I only have them do the eccentric face because
then they don’t need the isometric face. And there are times to correct me if I’m wrong. I don’t
speak for you that you won’t even lift above 80 percent for the concentric face
because you’re essentially doing that almost year round. Is that yeah. Yeah. Well and but if I get a power
reading. So usually once somebody does four weeks of let’s say you centric isometric, you know,
there’s a strong enough. I need to switch to power then and I’m wasting my time
if I spend another two weeks above 80, between 80 and 90 percent load. Right.
And people got to realize that we adapt so fast. And ultimately I realized
if I kept them above 80 percent too long, my my world class sprinters
would get slower because you’re teaching the nervous system to strain and not be reactive.
I mean, and that’s during the track season when they’re actually still pretty reactive.
Yeah, I’m saying because they they practice it, that’s definitely like you said, getting outside
the traditional methods and models of periodization getting away from that. Yeah.
And you know. But here’s the thing. You can’t get away from it, but you got to
give four to six weeks. So so like my professional hockey players, they’ll train above
in tri fazing for how many years? I got some. They’ve been in there 12 years now. So
we’ll do and some of them on the testing didn’t need any central strength. So now
and then the thought was, well, they’re getting older. I don’t want to eccentric because eccentrics, the most stressful part.
So when you lower the weight down with these center training, it causes a huge immune system response because
it tears the tissue apart and the body comes in and rebuilds it with their tissues. Been tear tore
apart a lot over the years and it’s pretty strong. They will have a soft tissue injury. So it’s like,
well, I don’t need to do eccentrics, I’ll just do the ISO’s because it gets some strong and that’s what we need. And then work get.
Yeah, yeah. On that note, I’ve heard people
or at least one of your videos, I think it was released a little over a year ago now, but you released the video
where you talked about bracing your core and got a lot of feedback,
some of that positive. Certainly there were people who had their arms in the air. But can
you dove into what you talked about in that video about bracing your core vs. squeezing
your glutes or using your hips? Yeah, I’ll let you take it away. The whole thing is, is that, you
know, 20 years ago, these books came out about Brace in the Core, which the research showed. Yeah, it was important to break
your core when you had back dysfunction. But we’re talking about a healthy person squeezing their ass
or their abs when they do something. And how I tested it. Actually, it started with
Mel Siff, the author Super Training, right. I was on his super training groups and he didn’t he wasn’t
buying it and it didn’t make sense to me. So I was just playing with it. I’d have a pitcher pitch a baseball with a cord
brace. They threw a lot slower. I mean, we’re talking seven to 10 miles an hour and then somebody would run a 40
and they would like it’s almost impossible. Think about the abrasive core. I’m going. They’re running slower. So
why are we doing it in the gym? Was my question. And then over time, you know, you
can check on forced plates. Just haven’t bracer corn stand there with close their eyes and check their sway.
We get way worse. So, Mike, this is a bad feedback. There’s something not right here.
And then what happened when the medical I think people done
retrospectively looked at the increase in sports hernias. When people started brace, the core
sports hernias went through the roof and all that tissue gets really tight. And then somebody goes to run and
they’re pulling that tissue apart. It’s late and. Yeah, yeah. Because but it’s shortened all the time because a
breece in the core and it’s just really it’s not how the body’s supposed to function because in my
opinion the core sits on the hips. So then if the hips are working correctly, the coral brace exactly how
much it’s supposed to. And when you run you people are saying, okay, I got
to protect the back. Well, if everything’s functioning right, the back will protect itself.
I believe you cause more dysfunction by bracing the core than you actually create.
Right. Stability, your health. You’re getting that tissue bound up in front. You’re probably gonna run some
back issues if that relax. Tissue’s now strained or
tense. There’s yeah, there’s no question. Kind of talked to us today as a staff
about the glutes being kind of the main driver. Right. Could you kind of talk a little bit about that
again? So if you’re not braced in the core, you talked about firing in the glutes. Yeah. So if you if your glutes
are working. So whether I go to push Michael right now, I have to fire
my glutes to stabilize myself. So I go to grab him and pull him. I have to fire my glutes. So whether you do have
flexion or extension, if you you have to find the center of your your body, which is really in the hips,
stabilize them so then you can move whatever you need to do. And
the big thing for the glutes is that coach, I checked it on
bench press. I’m lying on my back and I squeeze my glutes and a bench and the bar moves faster
than if I squeeze my abs. I checked it on a hundred athletes and everyone was faster. So I’m not
like a statistician, but but a hundred percent seems to be pretty good, right? Yeah.
That world they play every eight floors. So my point is then I checked
it on every exercise I could do and people just seemed to move the weight. Move, move more weight, move lighter
weight faster because we tend to move things. And it just seemed
to be the right way to move. And it felt more natural. Right. So you’re sitting here, you’re going, how is
it possible that people got it? Like, did. Did they really check
any of this? All I did is test things that happen. And it was it wasn’t adding
up. And I test a lot of things I’ve always tested to make sure people get better.
And you’re going it just didn’t add up. That’s it, that was my heart. Hard part for me, right?
Yeah. So our profession, it seems like we’re always trying to find the next
thing, right. Or attaching ourselves to to the newest technology or the latest system, whatever
it may be. But what are some things that are maybe
swept over or under utilized, whether it’s it’s training philosophy’s, whether it’s
it’s building, buying, whether it’s anything like that. Do you see anything in our field that kind of gets missed
when everyone’s trying to reach for these newer and better things? Yeah, I mean,
again, I just go back to analyzing it. What can you analyze it with? Is it testable?
I like heart rate variability for a lot of things. You know, when immune when I say this as a biofeedback tool.
So if you think a supplement works and it makes your heart rate and you take it
and 40 minutes later, your heart rate variability has gotten a lot worse. Probably wasn’t a good supplement. Your
body doesn’t like it. So these feedback tools, I think are ways
and and I’ve had I’ve had certain supplements, let’s say like a ribosome
and athletes have taken it. And I saw no response with the forever, but others took it. And there was
a really good response. So they needed it. The other one didn’t. It’s not like everything’s
just if you don’t have anything but a stopwatch to test stuff, you use a stopwatch.
Right. You know, we talked about that with Dan factor. with auto regulation. Yeah. And how
he might have been Debe Hammer, who’ve had for many years ago is didn’t have all the newest technologies. All we had
was a stopwatch and he could figure out auto regulation. Right. So, yeah, I mean,
auto. You know. I mean, she’s at my first exposure was my track coach
and Phil Undine. And we had a couple a pretty elite 400 meter runners. And I was watching practice
and he’s doing Flying Twenties and he ran through and you’re going well. Tough times were
unbelievable. And I’m like, well, how are you going to do? He’s like, till he slow down. Right.
Yeah, that was it. That’s awesome. That’s all that’s all regulation. I mean,
track coach, he’s been doing it for a long time. Right. Feel like he needs to stop and he’ll use a stopwatch.
Right. So did. Who invented it? I don’t know. I think I think it came from. So you need
to be honest with you. But. You know, they just used whatever. But you’re on.
Yeah. It’s nothing special. But I think the Germans probably did a lot better job of. Because
of the engineering thinking mindset that they have. You know, I mean, they’re really good at that.
I’m going to stick with our field and coming discussions or debates.
But we had a post that was maybe a few months ago. It was just a post about
squat depth. Right. Throughout this time, I like this time and again, it got a lot of feedback.
Some people applaud other people, you know, threw up different fingers. And so
I just want to know your take on squat depth again, whether it be a split squad or a back squad or
whatever it may be and its impact on performance. Well,
the problem is, is that, OK, first of all, make the statement. I’ve never seen a typical powerlifting squad.
I’ve never seen one athlete in that position in a field. OK. Yeah. Through. I’ve been through. Right.
I’ve been waiting for 20 years. Never seen it. So then when you look at the way I squad is,
I call a sports squad where I basically squat my hips, go straight down on my my. If you actually
look, then my shins would be parallel to my torso.
And that’s Carmelo Bosco’s research that he activated the glutes with
that type of angles. So your shins and your torso arts, if you drew a line
on the photograph there at the same at the Y. But then you don’t
necessarily you can’t squat that deep because of that position.
Right. Right. But you’re. You can get actually below 90 degrees
at your knee, at your knee, right. So but people want to say, oh, you got to get
paralell. Well, but the problem is, again, if if you squat like that, that’s not
the way the body’s functioning. I’ve had it make my sprinters slower.
Right. Because you’re in that position, you got to strain coming out of it. It’s not the way
anyone moves. So I’m saying you can’t squat like that because people have. And look, if
I’m if I’m saying something different, it’s only because I think I’m doing something that’s more
optimal. Cause squatting can kick can get people faster. Yes. Right. I’m not.
I’m just saying the most specific thing is to squat with that sports back squat. Right. Position
with your shins and your torso parallel. And I didn’t make that up like Carmilla Bosko found. And he was a true
scientist. He he used really emojis. I have them have my
weight room. I have the shorts. Now I have really GSO shorts. Yeah.
Yeah. I can see all this. Right. So you’re going at it and I’m going
I’m not going to do things that are sports that aren’t sports specific. Because those are exactly what
I need to get. That’s exactly what I need to do to make my athletes better and to give some better results.
Right. So I know there’s these purists out there and like Olympic weightlifting and everything.
Right. And they try to drive these trends because they want their stuff to be the most
optimal. But it’s not like I tell people, look, when
people come back and I test them, if they do a program like that, there’s
no way because people look, well, what do you test them? I’m tests and vertical drop. Well, my squat looks more like a vertical
jump than a deep, super deep back squat where you’re
driving your hips back. Right. You’re going deep and you’re coming out slow. And then you’re you know
where mine. I dropped my hip straight down. My knees go in front of my toes. But
that’s actually how your foot in Chin’s function in sports. Yeah. You talked about that
a couple of years ago. And I remember as you were talking at my A.M. podcast or YouTube, I remember as you
were talking I YouTubed or a Google imaged hotlink hockey player,
professional hockey player. And the first image was a player essentially skating
with his knee past the top of his boot, at least six inches or so. Right. All right. And if
you don’t have a strong foot to support that arch when that knee goes forward, it’s Kukla. It’s gonna the arch. You’re going
to collapse. And then the come back and he can’t skate his high. Right. So so the
whole thing here is that they keep that foot function and they squat. They push that knee in
front of their toe. And people who. What about knee pain? I’m like there’s more force on the knee when you get into that deep
squat than by what I call a sports back squat where you drop in your hips.
I wouldn’t say straight down, but just a little bit, Bakrie, because of the angles of. Right. And if your thigh bones
longer than it’s a dry, just naturally have the femur is going to sit down. You put your torso and your shins at the same
angle and you squat down and you go a little bit below where they play that because I’ve
never seen again. And even the wide stance, I know there’s people that would argue
the wide stance. Right. They go, OK, well, yeah, but they’ve got a bunch of pros in these position
where they head y stance and they say, oh, see these guys function y since. Yeah. But look, they
take a step after they’re in a wide stance. They got pictures but they step to
get a good position right. Then Sprint. They never come out of that wide stance
like they shoot. Right. So let’s that he needs to push that straight
down to the ankle and really then the ankle helps dictate
which way you can go. Right. Right. Because that’s. But your hips and knees drive down
to the foot. Yeah. I think it comes back to, like you’re saying, what’s going to make him better?
You know, as far as I know, I work with a lot of taller athletes and the
traditional squat. I mean, tesman is. Yeah, it’s gonna be bad. So you’ve got to you’ve got to
think differently when you when you start looking at different ways to squat and patterns or whatnot, that’s gonna
help them improve performance. So coach and you can’t shove
that scrum round peg into that square hole. Right. You’re just going and
it’s. Is it. Where am I going to get the most benefit out of this for this athlete to prevent
injury and then performance in a deep squat on a girl that 6 foot 3 is
a long thighbone is crazy, in my opinion. Absolutely crazy. You can watch
it, you know. You know, when when let’s say she’s going to you know, and I tell people I get girls
that may not back squat 200 pounds because we don’t work on it, but they’ll do a single leg
safety bar squat at 350. Well, the pure
superlow blackspots, a great life. Yeah. But I can get a greater hormonal response. I can get greater strength adaptations.
My girls have a huge bone density. The high, some are high. I see them. That’s
way more effective in ZYGAR return than having a high number on a back.
That’s why. Yeah, and you can still hit those angles. You still haven’t hit shingles yet.
Yeah. And those you know, those angles. That’s more specific than
the back squat. Double leg. I never win. Do you ever see him in that position?
I just don’t. Right. And you know, coaches who come to my gym. I’ve liley how to walk
in. They want to see watching the workout. Our knees in front of our toes. We squat with
our heels on floating heel with a single leg. Squat. Why? I realized
that that’s how humans run. So I started doing all my hip extension
stuff minus the back squat. I mean, I don’t look back on my toes because it’s too hard. Bilateral. But
all single leg work was done on the balls. Your feet with just the heel right off the ground. Right. And
it strengthens your foot, which is important. And I tell people that you guys heard me say this. You go. And the
only animal in the world I used to think that ran on their toes was an elephant or their heels was
an elephant. But then an elephant person told me that the fat pad is actually hitting the ground. Elephants
do run on their toes. Also, it’s pretty cool. Where are you? Where are you running? You an elephant expert
at a clinic, right? Yeah. Well, what it was, was,
you know, you post something and you see it on. Someone’s gonna say something. Somebody will e-mail me and I’ll call
him. What? Yeah. It’s just the fact that I’m all right. How do you know? I’m at
a zoo and somebody said me. You said a lot of people call in career and write email. How
is funding? Right. It’s the same thing with Bryce in the Corps and the you know, I got some hate mail from a physio
out of Italy and he’s like, I’ve been doing this 30 years and you’re wrong. I’m like, have you tested
it? And he’s like, no, I don’t need to. And I’m like, just tested for me. Yeah.
And then two weeks went by and I emailed him to say, did you test it? I still haven’t heard back
again, you know. But anyway, it’s. Yeah. So you come into my gym
into a 8, I started jumping. So when we land, I don’t try to tell my athletes, never
let their heels hit the ground. And if they do, it’s fine. Right. But you’re going. I’m on my toes.
The whole time you were jumping straight up and down and I’m going and people go. That’s not
the way that some organizations tell me to to do my job. So I’m like, I know,
but you watched the ramp you to a rebound in the NBA. Bring up a YouTube of of anybody
catching. No one’s jumping the way some people coach it in these organizations. And I’m
seen as bad. It’s good for learning to, but I’m talking about sports specific stuff.
So, yeah, people come in my weight room, they go high, they jump at the knees in front, they’re on their toes. I’m like, yeah. But that’s how they run.
Like, that’s just that’s just it. That’s a great Segway into another debate
that our field gets into because you brought up your safety bar, split squats and that’s
you know, it’s unilateral training better. It’s bilateral training better. I’ve seen it on my Twitter, Instagram.
And so I think they both have their merits depending on your circumstances. But what
are your thoughts on how unilateral training and bilateral training affect performance in
the nervous system? Well, the bilateral I’ve begin to realize
that Sir Dan Fichtner brought to my attention that it’s not a great feedback
loop for the brain. We develop through crawling and moving and cross crawl patterns.
Right. So you I Liley have checked every position that I train.
And by having a split stance, OK, doing something with a split stance.
I got a great feedback. I want to say that put him on the balance plate. And I don’t
do a lot of this balance testing. A friend of mine, the coach of Europe does it. He’ll do the exercise boom. He has blindfolds
on so their eyes don’t come. Yes. The balance odio puts mine and the balance is 30
percent worse with the bilateral movement than a unilateral movement in the exercise. So
the big thing is, is just we’re training with the body, likes the feedback loop is
is more beneficial. It’s not a negative. I should say and I like
the safety bar squat because then I can load a bunch of weight onto that person and get because
I let her have yeilds. Right. That’s why we that’s why we train heavy because we can get
testosterone in hormone releases in all these releases. And I talked about
marathon runner trains a lot, but they don’t look like your shot putters or your linemen now because they don’t
get the hormonal response, the testosterone, you know. So then we’re sitting here, we’re going
we want to load people to get bone density adaptation, tissue adaptations, tendon adaptations,
and then once we load them. Then you focus
more on sport specific stuff so you can do both even and try phasing. I talked about yeah, I did back
squat eccentrically, but once I got out of the tri aphasic, I went to sports back squat
where it was more specific to the movements they were doing in the basketball arena,
in the hockey arena. The whole thing. Right. And if you have a
specific tissue, you may want to train. A bilateral movement,
I think is completely fine, but to be the most specific. You better get to the unilateral
right. And I don’t do the rear foot elevated with the heavy loads. I think the rear foot elevated is fine.
I just won’t do the heavy, heavy load because actually I found that as I take the pill. Yeah. Rotates
of health. So it was literally the first day I did the super maximal loading was a Monday. Then Tuesday the chiros
came in and say, hey, everybody’s off. I’m like, well, we’d better figure this one out, right?
There was no pain yet, but every hip was off. So then I just put
the foot on the ground. And they were better. So that’s
that’s one of those learning experience. Now you have every played around with the single leg, the roof elevated.
Definitely. We’ll put some talking inside you. Plus, if you’re bound up a little bit in the front. Yeah, you got to be careful.
You utilize that exercise kind of how far out their foot is and how far out you’re you’re
pushing that pelvis. Yeah. And under heavy load is when I found my jaw. The barbell on the back.
Yeah. Or the safety bar split squat was 120 percent 120% with the front. Yeah. I think it was 50
loads and that that becomes an issue for sure. Yeah. But it’s
so. I honestly the unilateral.
It’s just better feedback and I’m seeing because. Because the problem is, is that backs what compensation
pattern in my opinion. You see things that transpire over time, long term, that
that’s not always healthy for the individual, whether it’s bigger community bilat. Yeah. Again,
the bilateral. Right. So I just seem to get in. Look, people think,
you know, these these big time athletes, they got to be perfect and they’re not. This is really the
best compensator sometimes. Right. And they can hide and disguise things and
they function at a high level, even though that there’s there’s something not wrong. I tell people, look, this person doesn’t have the right
group better, but he just ran an elite world class time and that’s fine. But he does.
Something’s gonna break eventually. Coach, what about Thomma unilateral use? You made me think
lower body. You were talking Laub a lot about upper body. Yeah. I mean, I you
know, on the bench press isn’t a great feedback, but what better movement do you have than
to learn to load our body? So then, you know, by getting up and marching or,
you know, just just doing the other stuff. Unilateral, you get a good feedback, right? So again, it’s
about adaptation for me and it’s the hormonal response and how to how do I get big triceps?
Postscript bench is the best way I think a two three board close-cropped bench. But you gotta go heavy, you know, and I mean and there’s
just no other way getting big, strong triceps, especially if you’re shot. Put her. You need to make somebody strong.
Well, even if you’re a basketball player, I remember one year the coaches went a big bench press and I posted
this on my YouTube is where we’d bench on Monday. And then we do a close group on Tuesday, close-cropped board
for the basketball guys. And I think Steve Felty out out of
Miami. Right. When he did that, he saw like 40 to 60 pound increase
and he did. Then on two on Thursday, a bench again closing up on front again. And he just saw
these guys weak links were really their triceps. So. All right. So he just benched four days
a week. First one was bench, second one was close grip. Repeat that Thursday and Friday.
And he saw a huge adaptation just by splitting those up. I mean, so you still have to load no
matter what, right. It’s just it’s just hard. I hear your load. I got a little
sidequest moan. Curiosity, BFI training. Yeah.
The occlusion training. What are your thoughts? Have you experimented with some of that?
What have you seen with some? I know I’ve toyed around with it a little bit and
I do like it. Look, these arms I use be far
today. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, people ask you what do you train? They coach my arm day, right?
That’s all that matters. No, I have it set. I have it set with my son.
I’ll use it in different ways. I obviously I’ll do it with curls, of course, is really nice.
Nice. It’s the most important. Yeah, right. Give it give you using for like oxygen deprivation in your GPP.
Yeah we do. One of the things I’ll do is Viktor Salani of the Russian
that some of his stuff. But he did, he talked about the hyper the slow
repeated effort where. So I’ll use it with my son, I’ll put the cuffs on him. He
gets on the stepper and I hook bands to the ground and he’ll do like on level 4
and he’ll step 2 at a time. And he’s doing a huge step with them on his leg, with him on his legs
and bands on his body. Yeah. Hook pulling down to the ground and he’ll do that first
set at 10. So 10 minutes, said Coach Lang chalghoumi, the DFI on that.
That will burn you. Then you go. I’ve seen you go three to five minutes. There’s
a visual that just sounds intense. And you go nice and slow. But it
is legit because you’re recruiting those fast twitch fibers in. I don’t know
how much of a difference it made to my son, but we do it still all the time. He’s pretty fast right now, but
his mom was Olympic gold medalist. Right. And he’s he’s you know, he’s
really fast. And you’re going. People ask me what I do. I’m like, well, it’s really hard. But, yeah, I’d like
to tell you everything that I’ve done with him. But it’s fun, you know, even just playing the football
when we were young, I throw a football. And when I threw it, he’d run a pattern and I’d throw
it too far. So everyone’s super hard. And he’d come back and he got the football and he’d yell at me and tell me how
bad of a quarterback I was. And we’d play left handed catch for like two minutes until you recovered. And then we
do we do like six to eight of those. And then we could go do whatever we want. But I did high quality work
even when he was six, eight, 10 years old. We did just high quality work. That’s the key. You
can’t you can’t get fast if you’re not running fast. Right. We know this. And that’s what we did. We just
had fun, you know, and he I took a lot of heat from being a bad quarterback, but I threw that ball too
far. So he had to really run fast. And, you know, pay dividends later, let he gets his car.
You get a scholarship, maybe. Otherwise, quarterback, not the bad quarter. Yeah. Yeah. And
then. Yeah, we had a lot of fun with that. I know you made me. Think when you talk about the high loads that we
recalled an athlete we had. She couldn’t train Mike, going back to
what you’re saying about the squad death. She couldn’t train in those low ranges. And so but load
was something that definitely helped keep her. You know, we couldn’t go as low with like a trap our
dad left or someone that but she got was able to get stronger and CAPTA kept her healthier. And
it puts a mass on. So it’s you’re exactly right. It’s got so much application. I mean, anytime.
I mean, you get people saying, no, everyone needs to be parallel. I mean, when you speak in absolutes,
you put everyone in the same silo. I think it’s just intuition that we know that humans are too
complex to just, you know, file everyone in the same file. Yeah. So it’s kind of just
it’s just. It’s an ego thing. And I’m not trying to,
you know. Here’s the thing to watch. You hear now is you hear these these coaches like a powerlifting coach
or some coach. I had got I got athletes, a squat, a thousand pounds. And I’m like, you got you got
or I got like temple, my gym squat a hundred. I’m like, yeah, look at them walk. They’re terrible.
I got a whole team of women that can’t squat 200 pounds that’ll smoke them in a 20 yard dash.
Physically beat them at 20 yard dash. Women that run two point eight. You know, you
mean 20 hour dashes. And I know if you squat eight, nine hundred pounds can barely walk.
You’re not running two point eight twenty yard dash. And then my men, they’re way faster.
Right. And they’re just athletes compared to what you are. What made you an eight nine hundred
pound squire is exactly what I don’t want. Coach, I got a true story I got to share with
you. I love animals rights told us. But so I was when I was playing at Georgia, the play D line is, you
know, I was kind of. Your time. I just kept chasing the number or squat and [INAUDIBLE]
it was at the teller’s back in the 90s is definitely strong back in that era.
And we had this little my richer software so was really I was junior, I was 20
years old. We had this little homemade little wooden with a pad on it, little
pet sled. We had a punch pre practice. And it
was just one of them. And we get the line, we’d punch it. I would come out. I was benching 500
at the time and I’d punch this thing. I couldn’t get it up. There was a guy from
Kansas. Name was Mike Steele. Did not Binse very much. He
could smack this thing around and coach would go off on me. I’m like, how are you this strong?
And you can’t this does not make. And it just did. Now, so far, I don’t have an answer.
And so that that summer out, I started training differently.
That’s why I met Doc Reese and start doing more speed. Straight training. Yes. My actual squat
and bench numbers dropped significantly. And when I got back, it’s probably
two, three months later from training that I could hit that pad. It was no problem. I could smack it right
smack, right? Yeah, I could get it. Basically had to get it in there fast and I could get it was no problem. My
coach at the time, but that’s when my eyes were open like I was actually d training my body
because I’m chasing numbers or whatever. Right. You get really good at applying force over that long
period of time. But when it came down to do what your sport actually requires. That’s where I think
I’m a big Star Wars fan. I know if you guys watch Star Wars or you ever watch it. Yeah. So one of my favorite quotes
is that only Siff think in absolutes, you know, and I think that.
I mean, I know it’s a movie quote, but I think that’s got a lot of application like what you’re saying now, that there’s
just you can’t look through one lands and have what this is the only way, you know, that you called the purest
way we can do it here. It’s this little ego. Everyone wants to be the guy.
Right. And I just want my athletes to win. You know, it’s
that ego can kill a lot of things and can can close your views to the
rest of the world. Because everybody like you can learn from anybody,
even even Olympic lifts. I don’t do Olympic lifts. Don’t believe I can get better results with other stuff, but
I would. I drove to Iowa to listen to the father of Chinese weightlifting, and I got one thing on
him where he saw the world. He went to the Russians, he went to the Bulgarians. The Russians did multiple
lists. Bulgarians basically did five. And he’s like.
And he uses example he had a world champion hurt the wrists and broke,
I think broke it had to recover. Only did a bunch of assisted lifts. Until
six weeks out, when he was four weeks out, cleared to do the lift, the full lifts came
in and set a new world record. And then they knew that
doing assistance, they helped with the weak links.
Right. Yeah. So then to me I was like, OK, this is why I need to have variety of lifts.
In my program on different days, because, one, you train the tissues differently.
OK. From doing a bench, people say all works a pack, but dumbbell bench does, too. Yes, but
they both train. Different like ceilings
or different parts of that tissue differently. So that’s why to me, I need you need to do the assistant lifts
for sure. And I just wasn’t going to bank on one lift covering everything. And there’s limitations to Olympic
lists. And I love watching on my love. You know, I love people. I love to watch people do it. It’s awesome.
Yeah. I mean, big in some athletes get good return on it. And there’s some off saying just it is the worst
thing you could do with them. I tell I tell people this coach, I’d won world class or he
said, well, I you. He didn’t get to 200 kilos or 440 clean,
but he was. He was like over 400. And then I had another guy that cleaned for 40. And
I think he walked into an 320. So he went from like 320 clean to for
four and a half, five feet. I had nothing to do with it. Right. It
had nothing to do with it. Yeah. And you’re thinking for is a lot. Wants a full
clean. And he pulled it dropped underneath it caught. It is a huge clean Ryan college
athlete for a college athlete. That’s that’s not your business. Right. And I’ve
had like three of those over the years. Only one was a really good shot putter.
You know, I mean, it’s crazy. They had no correlation with with performance. Well, I
think I think in a field where it’s literally titled strength and conditioning, we can get lost in
in the performance realm of, you know, we get we get caught up in the strength numbers, right? Yeah,
the number goes up. Our performance must go up. And we talked on the field, you know, a few hours ago.
It’s like, why are we doing certain things? Are we evaluating it? Are we deciding did this work? Did it not
work? And, you know, in the past, maybe sometimes you’re back squad goes up. But
as we are now hearing, like your performance doesn’t always correlate with that, does it? You know, and
so you have to find ways which colleges what kind of what makes you unique? Of evaluating what works and what
doesn’t, you know, is helping my performance or is it hurting you? Question Coach, I know is
your podcast, but like. Yeah, when I was young, I tested more. But now
if I see a new exercise and not the one I brought, I made up. But if I see one, I know
it’s going to work. I don’t even have to test stuff anymore because I’ve got enough experience in my field. You know, I mean,
do you feel that now that you see something? Yeah, I think you know, I think kind
of what you’re saying as you get older and you get more experience, the kind of coaches I that
you evaluate different, you know, of what you what you know, what they really need. Maybe
in RAM, maybe that exercise, you see something like that was something you need to add. It’s gonna make a big difference.
You don’t need to necessarily test for something, you know. So, yeah, and that’s the fun part because I
keep learning and looking for new things. Right. People ask me how I make how I make some of this
stuff up and some of the crazy stuff that I come up with. I think that it works and I usually test and
find out. But I ask questions of of everything that I do. I look at it.
So I start asking questions which create problems that I didn’t know I had.
If you ask enough questions, you’ll find problems that I didn’t know I had. And then all I do is try to
fix them and make solutions for, you know. And I think what you just said to you’ve got to you’ve got
to have like you’ve got to have enough humility to be open minded and be curious
if you want to be innovative. You know, and you’ve got to have that curious mind. I think, you know, always trying
to find a better way to improve it, make it better, you know, 100 percent. And
that’s the thing, is if you’re willing to accept. That everything, you
know might be wrong. Which is really hard if you can
if you’ve done it a certain way. Yeah, for quite a while. Right. And I.
It was years ago I began to realize like, yeah, probably wrong and
everything I’ve done at one time or another. Maybe it’s not wrong. It’s just not optimal. And I’m trying
to do optimal things all the time. So if you can be humble enough
to accept that and then as a coach. Keep looking.
Cause me if I stop looking, then I’ve let my athletes down. Right. I’ve
let my athletes down. I mean. Yeah. And we still live in a day and age where a lot of the myths
of what we do still exist. For instance, you know, with working with females,
you work with female athletes, but lifting weights is gonna make them too big and bulky where they can’t
perform. Right. And I’m like, we’re still in that. We’re still having that topical
debate of, you know, lifting weights is gonna make them where they can’t they can’t move and perform.
I know. I mean, it’s and it’s amazing what weights do for women and their confidence.
It’s like the other day, my keep pressing this where the other day, you know, I’m talking about I had five
of my female women’s ice hockey players walk in the weight room. I think
they’re I mean, the heaviest one was about one eighty two. But she’s she’s
about seventeen on the DEXA, which is amazing. Yeah. And then
the lightest one was probably 150 and there were five of them that were probably from 5
it, it was the gym. And when all five men walked in, you’re like, oh, there’s something golf down here.
Give me love. And I the a few fuel will be on the Olympic team. But just the attitudes in the way that
you see him walking down the street and the people turn their heads. I mean, in this I mean, so when they got snow. So
it’s not their beauty. It’s their sheer presence. Yeah. And I mean, I mean, software was some females.
I mean, they just loved to train their heads. And they are such they’re just a joy
to work with, you know? And you’re going, man, this person, it doesn’t matter what they do,
they’re gonna be successful. Whether they’re if they’re a mom, they’re gonna be great. They’re gonna be a great parent.
They’re gonna be a great whatever was just right. It’s awesome. And I really enjoy training the women.
You going that into that weight room and Mary Yuichi and these women come in
again how they carry themselves and they’re ready to work. And so they go up to a safety bar for plays
each side. And you’re like, there’s no way, you know, no way in hell they’re going to move it. Finished,
move it. Right. And they’re doing four sets. Klosters just knocking it out. Just don’t on twenty five
actual program, you know, that starts at the head coaches time. It’s kudos to them. Yeah. What
are some things that you’ve done to build some Byner or add to buying in your team?
Most of it was done years ago. Yeah. I mean honestly now it’s a kid gets on this
strength coach in Minnesota, he’s on his recruiting visit. I meet him in thirty six thousand followers. He must be good.
Like what? Oh yeah. But you know, and I
don’t know, I probably honestly, I probably still fail. Probably don’t explain things
enough. I find that even though if I explain it, not everybody gets it.
And it’s good that I do buy in. I mean, I
have a lot of championships, so this is what we do. I actually found with like, let’s say, for example,
my GPP face like. It’s about building a base foundation for
fitness, but it also can burn fat if you do it optimally. And you fasted
during that workout. Right. It’s only time of year. I want you to fasting during your base building.
Why? Because it activates fat burning enzyme. That’s all the girls needed to hear. And they were all.
All right, fine. Where were you at? I mean, people walk in their mouths, taped shut
to teach nasal breathing and, you know, and work on utilizing CO2. Right.
You’re going. You’re going. Holy buckets. They’re all in. But I give them all this stuff and
they’re just kind of listen, OK. Coach, you know, I said in this enzyme here that activates burns
fat, like, let’s just start just work. All right. You know, it’s crazy, right? What is it?
I don’t know. There’s there’s always these triggers. Yeah. Right. Let’s hear them. That made me think of a story
when I was interning with Karl. I don’t know if you still do this. Mean this may come
this may be along the lines of building leadership. But so Cal has his weight room right underneath
the arena stairs at the hockey arena there. And so they’ll go up there, do their warm up around the arena.
And during their off-season GPP phase, he’ll have them run stairs depending on what they’re doing,
may dictate what they’re doing on the stairs. But when they finish that, they’re usually pretty gassed.
But what Cal does is while they’re going through running these stairs, he tells us interns and years
like I want you go down in the weight room. Now I want you to flip everything upside down, throw things
around, whatever. And so, you know, you kind of double check like like, what do you mean? He’s like,
no, I bench benches. Just so we go down in the weight room. We throw pile
boxes around, we put kettle bells and the other side, the weight room. He has two rooms down there. At least he used to
you put certain equipment, different rooms, come back upstairs and he has the team gathered and he says
essentially, you know, A and B, you guys can talk. No one else is allowed to say a word.
So you have two minutes to set up your Arabic conditioning circuit that these kids know. But at this point,
I says you don’t do it. In two minutes, we’re gonna run more stairs and we’re to start over. And so you see these guys
paying attention and maybe one person or two people are talking, trying to dictate traffic. And
it was just a crazy story. And seeing to see them go down there and everyone is silent for doing
whatever they can to set up a surrogate, you know, getting physical balls put back into place, etc.
Yeah. And some of the mistakes were made like the kids it could talk, would start
doing stuff. And then people were screwing stuff up. But nobody can tell him that they’re going to vote because
the guy so that guy had to remove himself from actually doing a majority of work when he should
be observing and telling people, hey, those go over here. You know, you mean so problems
and under pressure. And the hard part is if let’s say you don’t have a coach, that
that is not going to follow up. So let’s say that some of the disconnects and teams and so people understand
I’ve coached over 200 seasons as a coach and I’ve seen some World-Class coaches
administer things and I seen coaches that didn’t have a chance to recruit great players. But what happened
was they’ve developed some World-Class athletes. Right. But you’re going I can do
all this stuff in the offseason, but if it’s not kept up or let’s say my leadership
stuff or my things for this was. Is this part. And then it’s completely
different when the coaches get them. It really doesn’t matter. It’s not you know, you’re not going to because
the culture will be different. Not that there’s as bad. It’s just I mimic
what the head coach is doing, you know, set the tone they do. And you know, in
in my that that was a great that’s a great tool. But I was hoping to teach that team,
too, to communicate under pressure. And then when they failed and they didn’t get it, we brought him. Where do you
feel? And I remember I had one team start and they they set that circuit up with three minutes,
by doing that, they went they got it down with like a minute fifty five. That’s how much they improved
from day one. And I mean I made some things harder. They were still able to communicate.
You know, and you hope that under pressure and fatigued and fatigued.
Right. That I have. I have a buddy. And
obviously some very some various groups, but I’ve met a lot of special operations. I have wrote a tactical manual
for special operations and I’ve been exposed to those guys. And some of it’s like,
why do others get through and other and some don’t. And the guy was like, well,
I would make a decision after decision in this in these situations. That was right. And then I
could recall the situation. What happened? A decision to go, why did you do
this? And boom, he could recall it. And under stress, you
can see where people start to lose that Decision-Making skill or the processing in
the right way. You know, that’s that’s the real hard part of it.
So I’m curious to you not that we would ever have any demanding
in heart coaches to work with, but if there were some out there.
Coach, how have you. You know, you’ve definitely been a part of some championship teams.
Those coaches usually are very demanding and they have high level expectations.
What? I mean, what have you done over the years that kind of help build those relationships for your coach and kind of manage
up, so to speak? Yeah. In the beginning I was pretty good
coach, even though I was young that the field was so young they were just happy to have a strain. Coaches seemed like.
And then I had some success. A lot of success early in my career. And then new
coaches would come in. And that’s when I had to learn to like communicating and.
I would you know, what I found is for coaches wanting to do something that’s
they wouldn’t always communicate with me what their goal was. So I tried to find that in a coach, wanted to really
just build a base, but he wanted to kill him and it wasn’t really good training. And I’m like, okay. So he’s just trying to build a base
again. And then I’m like, okay. And then because I heard he did this for like ten, twelve weeks of the semester and I’m going
home. I mean, this is terrible. Right. And then I go and there and I’m like, I
assume then there’s gonna be a point where we switch over to do high quality training to get them faster
and do things like to make them better. And he’s like, oh, yeah, yeah, we’ll do that. He’s like, how about
three to four weeks? I’m like, yeah, I usually find I don’t get much effect after programs like this after three. And
he’s like, really? I’m like, yeah, they just didn’t keep improving. He’s like, well then three weeks is what we’ll do.
So I backed him down from like twelve to three. Of putting
through a high pace, high volume. You know what I mean? And I’m like, OK.
Something I don’t want to crush their egos. But it was one of those deals where I’m like, OK. You’re doing it for this.
I understand. And then at some point you’re going to switch over. Right.
And you always leaving that out. Like, yeah, we’re gonna switch over. You and I mean
and again, though, with testing, like I had a thrower’s coach, it was really
difficult when he came in and we had all these numbers and I had all my maxs.
And I mean, we’re doing Klosters and we’re getting strong. I mean, I had multiple kids benched for 40.
Right. Let’s move away. Yeah. Yeah. And you’re OK. And then they do these high volume
program. And the kids Max and we max out six weeks later, eight. And he’s done
the three ninety. And I’m going.
It’s your program. And then the kids had an uproar. And he’s just like he let it go,
but it’s just difficult. Right. You got to fight those battles. Oh, you got me. Sometimes
you gotta get through it, right. You have to get through it. You have to. If they’re the coach, I mean, we’re behind that.
We’re the team behind the team, as you say, coach. And sometimes you’ve got to eat those crap sandwiches.
Yeah, right. That’s what I realize. Hopefully there’s a olive on it. Every one.
Yeah. Right. It’s not a double layer of.
Yeah, those are tough conversations. Have certainly when you have coaches who who may have a high ego
or B type A personality. All right. You owe it to the kids kind of like you said, like you have to have those
tough times. Well I found if I never backed him into a corner and I gave him an out.
Of a way. Hey, this is how we’re going to eventually change it and where we’re going to get to, then
we are like, OK. Yeah, well, OK. We’ll deal with it for three weeks. So the rest
of the 30 weeks of training, we can get something done. Now that you’ve got to learn that.
I think it was years ago. You’ve always got give even your athletes. Give people
an out. Yeah. Q You back them into a corner, is it so it’s not gonna go well? No, no,
no. I know, right. Even yeah. E is that out.
Is is a safety net. It doesn’t it doesn’t affect their ego when they they’ve got nowhere
to go than their ego is gonna be crushed. You know and then you relationship could be almost irreparable.
Yes. Because you were the head coach. I know. And on the flip side of that is if
you have the head coaching, who’s doing one thing, you may not agree with it, but you’re unwilling to change. Like
like Cal just said, where the team behind the team. Right. That could be your ego. Right. And
then how about this, though? If he wants something done and you don’t want to change,
let’s find a way to meet in the middle. Middle, you may come up with a new method that you really like.
God forbid we compromise. Right. And then I’ll be honest with you. I think I should do the 10
and it tells me about 15 different qualities. That test was the
that test was developed by me. But you knew where it started. A coach pushing me to the limit
to find a test that could tell him a bunch of information.
And it was uncomfortable in that media. I don’t know if it can be done. And I went to the drawing board
and I started building it, build that and keep going where you run it, a 20 yard
dash. Then there’s a change of direction and you run another 20 and there’s no change direction.
And then you’re on another 80 yards or an ice rink. You skate around and
there’s 10 timing gates laid out in this whole thing. Ken, tell me if you need eccentric strength, if you
have a left leg. Change of direction, right leg change. The whole deal. And I created and actually
got some military people implementing it right now just to
get a bunch of numbers on it, because you’re going if that coach said we got to find a test
and he was hounding me. He’s like, if you’re good, you’ll find a flaw. I was like, oh,
I’ll put the pressure. Right. And necessities like the mother of invention,
isn’t it? You know. Yeah, you’re gonna to have to find a new way. It’s like you said, forcing the organism
to adapt. Yeah. And then it’s okay that a coach is pushing you
or you’re gone. Some of my best workouts were just made. I just feedback
from the kids. Are they optimal? No. But you know what?
They like them. We’re doing periodically. You made me think I need to read
a little bit more. But even that they say that that’s how Steve Jobs was, that he was
big on pushing. Like we’re gonna find a way now. He was
I think he was definitely an overlord of a of a manager or supervisor. People don’t
know if that’s true or not. I never met him or worked with him. God rest his soul. But
yeah. But just like you said, the necessity, like, let’s find a way
to to not take no for an answer. But there’s gotta be a way of to figure this thing out.
So yeah. That that that’s the. Definitely. Yeah. Cause you have thing with Apple I mean.
I mean, think about how when you start talking about innovation, how Apple’s changed
so many people’s lives. You start talking about training or athletes, that’s the only way we’re gonna improve
their their performance is having that same kind of mindset. Yeah.
You know what? One one example I can give Mike. You know, the single EDT. What do I call that?
Do you know what method? Tell me what you mean. The single. So where you do a 70, 60 percent bench.
Oh yeah. Or you do. Yeah. Which one. Rep and one. Yeah. So. So I had a
thought coach that he wanted to do based building like GPP methods. And I.
My favorite one’s a circuit but he didn’t want his thrower’s doing a circuit. But he still wanted to
do a base. So what I did was like all right. We just gotta get the heart rate to 140 to 160.
But with the thrower, he didn’t wanna do the circuit, which is, you know, 70 stations and probably four
or five hundred reps are probably actually six. Seven hundred. And he goes, OK,
so find a way. Well, then I looked at Charles Staley’s EDT method where you do five,
six reps and then you go right to the next exercise. You go back and forth. Well, I said, well, what if we did
this with singles with our throwers? So, coach, we just took 60 percent of squat,
They do squat for single. They come right back to bench. We did that for 10 minutes. Heart rate spiked. That’s 150.
And they were doing singles for 10 minutes. So they also get in shape. And they got strong. I’ve seen some of that done
before. It’s pretty impressive. Yeah. And I know a lot of NFL teams will have their linemen do that
for a base building. I should say a lot. But like I know, four coaches
are implemented. Right. And you’re going it’s a way to get it. And then
then you pick you give like three, four minutes rest. They just did 10 minutes at a hundred fifty beats per minute.
I think in three minutes rest. And you do four more of those paired exercises, singles and maybe if it’s lap
pulled down, maybe you do a double. But the point was that like a lot pulled out with an RTL,
you know, I mean, any do like a shoulder press or whatever you want to do. But you do for 40 minutes of 10,
say of 40 minutes total of that doing singles or doubles
and that can get him in shape and build a huge base form. And then when they’re still strong, when they come other base building
and then it gets stronger because they got a good base. And that was a
method I used to put together. And I really came from Charles Staley’s EDT
methods. Right. But yeah, I just modified it and it was a necessity that I had
to have it to help this Kochi. No one is big guys doing circuits even though they’re good for him.
Yeah. That is a that’s a lot mean. Plus, I would think
with a circuit like you said, you do it six, seven or reps, you’re not getting that with with EDT, right?
No, no, you’re not. So it’s definitely nice. It’s more it’s safe. Safer.
Yeah. And pride isn’t. Beat them up. Now let you get those athletes like you saying who who like
to move heavy loads. It’s like a compromise. Like we says as she get to work your robot base,
but you’re still moving some a little bit of weight versus doing bodyweight exercises for whatever
it may be. But yeah, it’s it was a again.
I didn’t want to do it. It was uncomfortable. But but I came up with a pretty good thing then.
You heard him say it and you’re gonna have this. You know, I ran across people that don’t seem to
Crayola. But they have this attitude. Oh, well, you can’t do that. You know, I mean. Are you gonna
do that? I’m like, we’ve got to find a way. It’s like when I had
one assistant, when I said, hey, we’re gonna switch everything from reps to train for time.
He’s saying that’s not possible. What do you mean? Is that possibly how we’re going to do it?
Came back after the first workout. I was like, oh, yeah, this is OK. You know, I mean, I’m like, all right,
here we go. Well, I think that’s probably a platform that has helped your success. Is
that willingness to try different things, right. I mean, it’s like you said earlier about, you know, willing to
accept that you could have been doing things wrong or or suboptimally this whole time, because
you’re constantly it feels like getting your hands in different things, reaching out to different resources.
But that’s what trite, basic I feel like it’s been built on us finding these different methods that elicit
this adaptation that would go well in a GPP block or a power block or whatever it may be. Right.
You can never stop looking. I’m not going to. I won’t. There’s no way until
I’m done. I’ll know when that’ll be all right. I mean,
I’ve been learning from one of the most beneficial coaches I’ve ever coach who says he’s a high school
coach. But Chris Corvus out of Chicago, a key, I call him and I was talking to him and
and he says, is this Cal Dietz? And I was like, yeah, that’s it’s called the like the tri-faith, a Carlito’s, I guess,
physicality. So you read it. That’s great. So can we do your stuff? He’s like I got I got six kids that
actually jumped thirty six inch verticals in high school because we’re doing the tri phase. You can some other things. I’m like,
OK, I’m like, I’m on edge. But that results a semi a video, you know, and you never
know what vertical jumps. I didn’t know Chris at the time and I’m semi
video. And he sent me a video of a kid jumping like thirty seven inches with his hands on the hips
wall. And I was like, you got six of those? He’s like, yeah, we got 30 over 30. I’m
like, all right. Next Saturday, I’m a drive to Chicago and meet you and see what you’re doing.
He had all this ankle and foot stuff in our speed manual, like the spring ankle.
I’m like, yeah, this is for real. You show up and there’s this guy. He says he’s a high school coach and there’s this
Chicago bear running down the driveway and Olympic sprint medalists running down the driveway. Land like, OK,
whatever you want to call yourself that you can be ice. Go, go, go, go. Yeah. All right.
So, Coach, I know you’re a little unfamiliar with Chris Corpus, but he’ll often post videos
again in his driveway. So there’s just down it’s called a sack. And there’ll be an Olympic sprinter just sprinting
with a sled down the street, down the street, down a street in Chicago. Oh, yeah, yeah,
yeah. But I think Bo Jackson’s house is right beside you, right across the street. But yeah, it’s it’s
pretty. Yeah. He’s all set up in his basement to like a little weight room. I’ve got to meet Chris at some point
because I keep. Yeah. Guys let’s have him in for next year. Clinic. Have to get it. Yeah. We’ll get him. He’s awesome.
Yeah. You love him. Look forward to it. Yeah. Chris is a great friend of mine. Obviously one of the owners
of our PR. And he is. He’s one of those guys that just keeps testing how he
tests. He’s got timing gates. They keep running faster. So we’re in a day. You know,
he comes back, too. He just keeps investigating. And, you know, if you if you are truly evaluating what
you’re doing, if it’s if it’s effective or not, if it’s optimal or not. You have to keep investigating and
keep finding out if. Yeah, exactly. But I had a couple out of question for you.
Look different. Changing gears here. Internship. Mm hmm.
You obviously, you just feel like just from the years I’ve known you and coach coach
Mike Hansen here, he interned under you there. Minnesota, you have a very,
very sought after and good internship program.
What do you look for? KHOW, if you’re looking for an intern. And they may not
work directly with you, but they’re still going to come intern with you. Right. And being run under your system and your tutelage.
What do you look for in interns today? Somebody that’s really with
an open mind. Right. That’s willing to understand that. Again, maybe everything that you’ve learned might
not be right in your your college degree or less than optimal, but you needed to
learn. I find and we don’t nail it every time because sometimes
we need like four or five and we know there’s two good ones in it. And hopefully
the two good ones can create the culture amongst the interns, you know, because
we’ve had groups of interns that go bad with their culture and they just got attitudes and you go on well.
And even though there were good coaches you like. I see a lot now that
I find it hard to be a good intern. I think adaptability.
I think a lot of kids lack some awareness of just being
OK. What do I got to do to make a good impression? You know, I mean, I think they’ve
had a lot of things done for them in their lifetime. A lot of these kids,
these age this age group and I mean, I’m like,
wow, they just don’t see some of the little things. And I’m not even talking about coaching. I’m just talking about
how the perception of themselves. Is with me.
You know, and I don’t need to be called sir coach, and I tell em to call me cow.
But some of the little things that you’re going, hey, you know, the way you think is not necessarily
in regards to, hey, I’m going to. Yeah, I got to leave early today. OK. OK. That’s fine.
But you’re going. It’s really nice up. That’s not a reason to leave early
because it’s nice out. Right. You know what I’m saying? I think
the more real life experiences kids can have. I’ll be honest,
if you like farm kids, they seem to do a really good job or something. They grew up in that setting
because they have to. I mean, I have farm kid. He’ll be he’ll be looking for stuff to
do. He’s had his internship. You know, we’ve got that with military intern. The same thing.
Same. They’re just looking for things that they can do to help. Yes. I
don’t know if society is creating a tribe mentality anymore, coach.
Yeah. And. I love being part of a tribe, right,
especially with my office guys, the guys I have that I got three people right now that are four of us.
Five of us total that are two interns, three interns that have been there while and they got other jobs.
So they intern with us just to stay there. But they make enough money. And you’re going, man. We got a group of five
that are tribe. And like, we laugh, we joke. We have a good time. Right. And
I dont know if it seems like some these interns come in, they don’t have a purpose.
The purposes I’m here to serve these athletes and you’re here to serve them with me. And I
don’t think they think that serving an athlete is something of value or serving the
program. I mean, and it’s hard because you see him on Instagram and and
actually that’s funny because all they’ll shoot my my assistant will show me a poster of a kid
on Instagram. It’s our intern. I’m going. That’s not him. Right, just because of the perception
and persona he’s posting on social media. And I know him for 15 or 10 hours
a day. You’re going. That’s not who that kid. Two different two different people.
There’s not much reality there. It seems like on the social media, that perception that
they give out. And that’s that’s a big disconnect, I think. Yeah. That social media
can be positive. It can be powerful, but it can be very can be very
limiting as far as you know, if you’re not. Because I think, you know, you
mentioned the awareness. And I would. I mean, I definitely would agree. I think that
and, you know, I’ve read enough business stuff with the emotional intelligence. Yes. Of not
being no one how they’re coming after people. So they’re not aware of how they’re being
perceived. And so they don’t know how to adjust, how they’re
interacting with you or with an athlete or how to even, you know, raise the bar
on how they’re doing their job. And so if you’re not aware
of how you’re coming up, then it’s hard to take feedback. One. One hundred percent.
Because you don’t see it. You don’t know, you don’t know, right? Yeah, that’s the hard part. If you don’t know, you don’t know, you’re
at the lowest level of understanding. What are the four levels of what is given to the. You don’t know. You don’t
know. And then the next level is, you know, that you don’t know. Okay. And then there’s
a level of of education. Right. And then there’s mastery or something like that. Yeah.
Lowest level as though the day. Sure. Right. You just don’t know. You don’t know.
And you’re like, oh, okay. But that adaptability. It just seems like, you know, I
took a group of them up to my honey cabin and we got a tractor really stuck and they were standing. There
was no way any of them were gonna be able to. So, I mean, hooked up the change on my truck.
I got my truck set up. I said, all right, you’ve got to get in here when I say go. And I got in there. I got in the tractor. I had a
backhoe and a front. And I actually had to to scoop and move the whole thing at the same time. And
I had to coach them. And I was like, how do you know I’ll do all this stuff? I’m like, I don’t always you just
gotta get in there and do it, people. Sometimes you have to try learn. Right. Yeah. I learned through trial
and error. I know. And then we had a flat tire on one of the s._u._v.s. I was like, yeah,
you take that off. I didn’t needed to take it off to fix it. Let me see if I can take that off.
It was an hour and 20 minutes on something would. It took me to love it. I know
it would be. We need to incorporate that into the internship program. Here is what we do. Week one
that’s curriculum. We’re going to change a tire. That going back to something you say with interns
about not understanding that they’re there to serve the athletes or a team. Right. Right.
That’s a problem we’ve even seen. Whether it’s interns, you end up coming on to help us or even we’ve
got an applicants where they’ve reached out and literally presented. What can
you what do you guys offer for me? What can you do for me? And it’s like instantly,
you know, they’re missing the boat. It’s like that. That’s not what this is about. What we can do for you shopping
experience. It’s it’s not just the the the intern.
They’re starting with the internship. It’s the whole profession is about serving people.
And you walk into an internship and you want to know what we can do for you. You stepped
off in the wrong. Like, right. You’re in the wrong field. Yeah. Because if this is about you
going bad nearly six, 50 years, I’m not going to be great for you, coach. Like how important
you in your world, your big deal. But but honestly, you’re
not as important as your athletes. You’re not as important as your head coaches or your assistant coaches. You’re not as important as
your children. You’re not as important as your wife. Coach, there’s a whole list of people in my life
like I’m a hundred, in my opinion, on my list. Like you’re low. We’re low. The seriously and weak. But
you know what? I saw a picture of it was like what was a leader or
there was a leader versus the somebody that like considering
another term. It was like somebody that was in charge and it was a picture and it was a person like
in the sled standing there. But the leader was a true person at the front
pulling the most doing. I mean. And yeah, somebody may be the boss, but
the leader was the guy pulling the sled. The boss’s in the sled. But in my life, like
you sitting here going, oh, I mean, 90 percent of my day, I’m I’m served and you’re helping others.
Mike Favorite taught us a good lesson. I was interning at Michigan. He’s the director at Universal Michigan.
But he told us the story about how he had the perfect candidate to come in to be an associate director
and essentially aced every portion of his interview, can find a flaw in him. But as he sit in his office
ready to essentially offer him a job, the guy’s literally looking out in the parking lot saying, so which parking
spot would you would mind being, you know, thinking it was a joke? You’re kind of laughing it off, but finding
out the guy was serious. He’s like, what? Which one’s my spot? And he’s like, I don’t want I think this isn’t about
you. Like, it’s not about what’s what can be offered to you. This is about what what can
you offer the University of Michigan. And so he said he end up not hiring the guy in Puerto Rico. And
that story stuck that like, you know, no matter what you think that you can
bring to the table, you can’t forget that we’re here to serve athletes or serve a team that’s bigger than us,
not a coach. One time years ago tell me that when he’s looking at athletes, when he would recruit
the one kind of. Kind of measuring stick. You would have throughout
the process was if you meet an athlete that. They are more concerned
about what the university can give them versus what they can give back to the university.
That was a that was something you want to look at really close a flag that they’re going to come. There’s going to be
about them. They’re not going to try to give back and be grateful and try to to to make their team
better. They’re going to say, what can I give and take away a walk away from here? So the question then is.
As a coach, if you’re going to take that kid, you better have a culture that’s so strong
that changes his attitude the day he walks around it. Yeah. Seriously?
Because I’ve seen cultures take selfish kids
and change their lives. And I’ve seen cultures and, you know, I’ve had
coaches and they’re like, hey, what do you think of our culture this year? And I looked at him. I said, what was
it? I mean, what culture did you instill, coach? And he looked at me and like,
well, if you didn’t instill a culture, we had a 20 year old culture of men
that were selfish. So if you don’t and still won, you won. No,
the one that naturally pops up and that’s what we had. And we had Luden losing season. And it wasn’t a bad
culture. It’s just a 20 year old selfish culture and
cultures like I had a genius coach tell me something like cover monoxide.
Right. We can’t see it. Can’t smell it. They’ll kill you. Yeah.
That was you, coach. Yeah. Yeah. It’s like cult culture is like oxygen right there. Rain when it’s present. No.
And it’s healthy. Nobody notices. But when it’s toxic, everybody. Everybody
notices. And you can wake up dead. Yeah. You know, that will kill you. So it’s
in that, you know. So I see that you win with people.
But what drives that people and to me, that tribe. I mean, every championship team
that I worked with, I’ve won I’ve won 36 Big Ten titles, but I’ve coached 200
seasons, maybe 190 at Minnesota. Now you’re on. So I was a loser. How many
times? A lot. You know. But I was fortunate to win like 36. OK.
And you’re going. But every team had a mentality about them.
You know, I mean, I look back and one of the most unbelievable seasons I ever experienced
was in women’s ice hockey. We had an undefeated season, which is really never happened in the modern age.
And I’ve never been so nervous for games at the end of season just because
to say that I was part of something that was perfect like that, especially in hockey. Right. There was a time
where I think we were down by two goals in St. Cloud and
we came out with three minutes left, put two in to tie it up and set
the attitude on the bench. Was it? Oh, no, no, no. We’re going to win it the next minute
mentality. And this was like towards in the season. And they went out and they put one in in regulation to win
in regulation. That was the mentality. They were never waiver because they were
a tribe. They were group. And they knew that they were all business.
Yeah. Already. Coach, we will have to kind of wrap it up here
and that sound good. Callard has been absolutely
just phenomenal having you in back in Austin to how have you on the podcast and
distributes to have a conversation. Any any concluding thoughts, Mike, for Carl? No. We just appreciate
you coming down here talking shop. You’re welcome. Anytime. Anytime you want to reach
out. You are more than welcome. So. Well, I appreciate you guys having me. And I know it’s
it’s awesome to be here and share ideas and hear from other coaches and just setting
here, knowing that type of coaches like you are in this profession. And it’s
it’s kind of refreshing, you know, because there’s not always people are in it for themselves,
what you mean. And to know that and we know this, that we’re here to serve. We’re
here to serve these athletes. And hopefully I’m making the right decisions for them. And that’s why I keep working.
It’s just to make those decisions. But yeah. I’m just fortunate that I can be a coach.
Thanks, coach. If somebody wants to follow you. I mean, I think most people know how to get your butt working.
What’s the most convenient and easiest way to connect with you? Yeah, I have a Web site
like X.O. Athlete Excel like extra-large athlete dot com. I’ve tried
aphasic training, dot com. I’m on Instagram and yeah, I have a lot of
e-mails. But you know, if you profile my e-mail, if you’re in the free world, that seems that some
days it seems like everybody is able to find it. So Cal Dietz at G-mail is one way to get a hold
of me. So anyway, and I have various Facebook coaching groups so that
I’m involved with. So, yeah. Anyway, you know, I’m sure you do a quick Google search if
you pop up pretty quick. So, again, Coach Cal Dietz, thank you for all you’re doing
for our profession and making us all better coaches and professionals. You’ve been
a huge blessing, I know, to our staff and to me. So thank you, coach. And I know Coach Hanssens
came out of your coaching tree and he’s been he’s been just a great coach in addition to our
team here. So thank you, coach. Well, I’m sure he’ll be better. Me and I appreciate the kind words.
My eyes are rolling. All right. Well, thank you, guys. It’s awesome.
Thanks for the kind words and I appreciate it. What do you say, Minnesota? Go, go, go,
golfers. And me and Mike from Austin, Texas. This has been the team behind the team
parkas with Coach Cal Dietz. The man, the myth, the legend. We love you, coach. We appreciate you keep make an
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