{"id":60,"date":"2018-09-07T21:25:26","date_gmt":"2018-09-07T21:25:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/podcasts.la.utexas.edu\/british-studies-lecture-series\/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=60"},"modified":"2021-01-20T21:25:44","modified_gmt":"2021-01-20T21:25:44","slug":"60","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/podcasts.la.utexas.edu\/british-studies-lecture-series\/podcast\/60\/","title":{"rendered":"Castro\u2019s Challenge to Britain and the United States"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Speaker &#8211; Jonathan Brown<\/p>\n<p>When Fidel Castro formed an alliance with the Soviet Union in 1962, it<br \/>\nsparked the Cuban missile crisis and became a defining incident of the Cold<br \/>\nWar. Graham Greene\u2019s Our Man in Havana predates the Cuban missile crisis, but<br \/>\nthe plot involves missile installations and seems to anticipate the events of<br \/>\n1962. In the real world, the British tolerated the Cuban revolutionaries.<br \/>\nAmerican politicians, for domestic reasons, could not. The British refused to<br \/>\njoin the American economic boycott of the Revolution. Did Britain help the<br \/>\nCuban Revolution to survive US antagonism?<\/p>\n<p>Jonathan Brown&#8217;s book, Cuba&#8217;s Revolutionary World was published by Harvard<br \/>\nUniversity Press in 2017. His other books include Oil and Revolution in Mexico<br \/>\n(1993); and A Socioeconomic History of Argentina (1979). His articles have<br \/>\nbeen translated into many languages including Chinese. With Alan Knight he<br \/>\nedited The Mexican Petroleum Industry in the Twentieth Century (1992). With a<br \/>\nUT Ph.D. in History, he has taught at UT History since 1983. He is presently<br \/>\nwriting a book on the renegotiation of the Panama Canal Treaty.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Speaker &#8211; Jonathan Brown When Fidel Castro formed an alliance with the Soviet Union in 1962, it sparked the Cuban missile crisis and became a defining incident of the Cold War. 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Roger Louis is head of the British Studies Lecture Series. He is an American historian and a professor at the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/University_of_Texas_at_Austin\">University of Texas at Austin<\/a>. Louis is the editor-in-chief of <em><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/The_Oxford_History_of_the_British_Empire\">The Oxford History of the British Empire<\/a><\/em>, a former president of the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/American_Historical_Association\">American Historical Association<\/a> (AHA), a former chairman of the U.S. Department of State's Historical Advisory Committee, and a founding director of the AHA's National History Center in Washington, D. C.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph -->","post_title":"Wm. 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Our speaker this afternoon is<\/p>\n<p>Jonathan Brown, who has rather extraordinary qualifications.<\/p>\n<p>He is one of the very few p_h_d_ at the University of Texas who has<\/p>\n<p>gone ahead to become a member of the department. He studied under Tom McGann,<\/p>\n<p>who by all recognition was one of the foremost historians<\/p>\n<p>of Latin America. He also has the distinction of having studied under Walt<\/p>\n<p>Rostow, but in the capacity of an economic historian rather than of<\/p>\n<p>Vietnam. Jonathan<\/p>\n<p>is the author of several books, and his most recent one<\/p>\n<p>is Cuba&#8217;s Revolutionary World, and this has recently been published by<\/p>\n<p>Harvard University Press. His other books include A Socio Socio Economic<\/p>\n<p>History of Argentina, Oil and Revolution in Mexico<\/p>\n<p>and Latin America, A Social History of the Colonial<\/p>\n<p>Period. I started to say that there are other anonymous publications.<\/p>\n<p>I hope I pronounce the word OK as the new pronunciation.<\/p>\n<p>And so, John. Jonathan, we&#8217;re very glad to have you. This is one of the rare occasions<\/p>\n<p>in which we do stretch out to Latin America, in which, of course, there was a very great<\/p>\n<p>British influence, not only in the Caribbean, but throughout<\/p>\n<p>the continent of the Falklands, of course, but also the building<\/p>\n<p>of the railways and so on in Argentina. In preparation<\/p>\n<p>for this session, I re read Graham Greene&#8217;s Our Man in<\/p>\n<p>Havana, which stands up very well. It&#8217;s a very funny<\/p>\n<p>novel and I think it&#8217;s one of the best that Graham GREENE has written. You&#8217;ll<\/p>\n<p>recall the the principal figure<\/p>\n<p>has been recruited by the British intelligence service to report on<\/p>\n<p>what&#8217;s going on in Cuba. And the person<\/p>\n<p>happens to be a vacuum cleaner seller. And at one point, the chief of<\/p>\n<p>staff in Imai 6 saying that these. These pictures<\/p>\n<p>of the installations of missiles and so on have a strange<\/p>\n<p>resemblance to vacuum cleaners.<\/p>\n<p>And I hope that Jonathan will begin by saying just a few words about Graham GREENE.<\/p>\n<p>Well, first of all, thank you very much for introducing me, you gave me a wonderful introduction,<\/p>\n<p>included all of my old professors so that people can date when I got my<\/p>\n<p>p._h._d. Very convenient for them. Well, I&#8217;ve<\/p>\n<p>read every single book that Graham GREENE wrote on Latin America and he&#8217;s<\/p>\n<p>traveled quite a few places. There was travels with my aunt.<\/p>\n<p>There was the honorary council. There was one of the first ones,<\/p>\n<p>I think was the power and the glory about Mexico in the 1920s,<\/p>\n<p>Haiti. Did I miss any. The what?<\/p>\n<p>The one about Pamela. Oh, that&#8217;s correct. This is. Why did. Why didn&#8217;t I remember that?<\/p>\n<p>My next project actor actually is on Panama General today horse. And it turns<\/p>\n<p>out that Graham GREENE was a great friend of all Mato rehost,<\/p>\n<p>the dictator of Panama. That is the dictator of Panama.<\/p>\n<p>Before he was. He was succeeded by another dictator who<\/p>\n<p>was not as nice. And Graham GREENE<\/p>\n<p>did not did not befriend him. But<\/p>\n<p>as a matter of fact, Graham GREENE actually was at the was attending at<\/p>\n<p>the invitation of Omar Teddie host, the signing of the Panama Canal Treaty<\/p>\n<p>with President Jimmy Carter,<\/p>\n<p>with President Jimmy Carter in 1977. My wife is sitting back there<\/p>\n<p>prompting me with the names. Thank you very much. So if I hesitated<\/p>\n<p>on a name, you know, I&#8217;m I&#8217;m getting it from my wife.<\/p>\n<p>Something very interesting about this was not only that the the parts<\/p>\n<p>of a vacuum cleaner that were sent back to M<\/p>\n<p>I five and got them all interested. They thought at first or they were<\/p>\n<p>they perceived that at first to be a secret weapon, something along the line<\/p>\n<p>of a missile. And Graham GREENE was there in 1957.<\/p>\n<p>I figure this book first. The first printing of his book was in nineteen<\/p>\n<p>fifty eight. So he must have been there in 1956, 1957, gathering<\/p>\n<p>material and going to the places that appear in the book. And so it&#8217;s very recognizable.<\/p>\n<p>He does not mention Fidel Castro, even though Fidel<\/p>\n<p>Castro was with the guerrilla band in the Sierra Maestra. He mentions the Sierra Maestra<\/p>\n<p>in the eastern part of the island and that the guerrilla bands are operating there. But he doesn&#8217;t<\/p>\n<p>mention the name of Fidel Castro. So in 1957, Fidel<\/p>\n<p>Castro was just a minor part of the revolution. He didn&#8217;t come into his own<\/p>\n<p>until 1958 and then he dominated the revolution. And it&#8217;s mainly because<\/p>\n<p>the reason that he was able to consolidate the revolution so quickly is that all of<\/p>\n<p>his partners in the revolution had died off. By that time, he<\/p>\n<p>was the only one who survived. And he practically inherited<\/p>\n<p>the revolution on the first day of January. Nineteen fifty nine. And<\/p>\n<p>Graham really would have been wonderful. Graham GREENE had been there when when the guerrillas<\/p>\n<p>came in down the Malecon, which is the the Oceanside<\/p>\n<p>Boulevard in Havana. The other thing that I noted out of here<\/p>\n<p>is that he did borrow liberally from what was happening<\/p>\n<p>in the during the revolution inside of Havana,<\/p>\n<p>where he probably spent most of his time. Although I I realize now that he also went down<\/p>\n<p>to the city of Santiago, which is on the opposite end of the island, and spent some time<\/p>\n<p>there because he describes the hotel he was in, which still exists<\/p>\n<p>there. And there&#8217;s so much that is familiar about what<\/p>\n<p>he describes for Havana. And the reason is that Havana has not changed in the<\/p>\n<p>last 60 years. It looks like<\/p>\n<p>it did on the day that Fidel Castro rode in on the back<\/p>\n<p>of an army tank to take power on the first day of January<\/p>\n<p>The city is much more shabby today than it was back then. It was fairly well kept up.<\/p>\n<p>The 1950s was a good time. Economically, for. For<\/p>\n<p>Cuba. And so the several new buildings<\/p>\n<p>were built in the 1950s, which still exist in and dominate<\/p>\n<p>the skyline, really. But all the rest of it all the rest of it<\/p>\n<p>looks exactly the same as it did back then.<\/p>\n<p>There is one this kind of proves a maxim that<\/p>\n<p>people in Havana are saying these days.<\/p>\n<p>You recall the book by Lenin and imperialism.<\/p>\n<p>Imperialism is the last stage of capitalism. Well, they&#8217;re saying<\/p>\n<p>in Havana right now that underdevelopment is the last stage<\/p>\n<p>of socialism. And largely because the economy<\/p>\n<p>of the country is has recovered from the loss of<\/p>\n<p>the patronage of the Soviet Union all along, about nineteen<\/p>\n<p>ninety. They lost that patronage when the the<\/p>\n<p>communist empire collapsed practically overnight.<\/p>\n<p>A couple of other things too about this book. Some I guess. Well what am I doing? I just<\/p>\n<p>published a book myself on Cuba. I should be talking about that. Right.<\/p>\n<p>He borrowed liberally about what was happening inside of Havana at<\/p>\n<p>the time. There was a one of the chief characters<\/p>\n<p>and probably the most prominent Cuban character in the book is<\/p>\n<p>Captain Say Good, the captain say good, what<\/p>\n<p>is known as the Red Vulture, because<\/p>\n<p>he was engaged in torturing and and killing<\/p>\n<p>young people who are involved in the revolution inside of a.<\/p>\n<p>Castro escaped this because he was in the mountains of the Sierra Maestra, where captain<\/p>\n<p>say Hooda and hit the person who is really<\/p>\n<p>supposed to be Captain Sigur\u00f0ur. His name was Colonel Van Duda,<\/p>\n<p>say Goodat Van Doodah, and he was known not as the Red<\/p>\n<p>Vulture, but as the White Angel of death. It<\/p>\n<p>is because he took off his white linen<\/p>\n<p>suit. He always dressed in a white linen suit with a coat jacket,<\/p>\n<p>and he took that off when he went in to torture people. I said, you can understand<\/p>\n<p>why. There are some other things. He was thrown into jail<\/p>\n<p>in Santiago. That is a wormhole. The character. And by the way, what kind of name is<\/p>\n<p>Rumold? Is a good. Did he make up this name<\/p>\n<p>or is this a good British name wormhole? That&#8217;s the character. Who<\/p>\n<p>was the salesman? The vacuum cleaner salesman.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s right. What a nut. I think he made up this name.<\/p>\n<p>No, he didn&#8217;t. He didn&#8217;t make this up. No. Okay. Yeah. So that&#8217;s a real.<\/p>\n<p>Absolutely. Within a relevant. But it&#8217;s the thing itself on a Sunday. But it&#8217;s<\/p>\n<p>not an uncommon name. It&#8217;s a Sunday. Okay. I know two people with that.<\/p>\n<p>Yeah. Unrelated<\/p>\n<p>in your family. No, I&#8217;m sorry. I know. I was true to bring that<\/p>\n<p>up. I guess I&#8217;m here because<\/p>\n<p>there is one small a role that that<\/p>\n<p>Great Britain played in the Cuban revolution. Besides<\/p>\n<p>sending one of their their most famous novelists over there<\/p>\n<p>before the revolution was completed. And that is<\/p>\n<p>that the government of Great Britain never<\/p>\n<p>joined the United States diplomatic boycott of<\/p>\n<p>Cuba. That&#8217;s for sure. In the 1960s, that between both<\/p>\n<p>President Kennedy and President Johnson, that the United States was able<\/p>\n<p>to get every country in Latin America to break<\/p>\n<p>diplomatic relations with Cuba because<\/p>\n<p>Cuba was exporting its revolution to the rest of Latin America. They were<\/p>\n<p>training guerrillas to go back to their home countries to fight<\/p>\n<p>in an grua outbreaks occurred in Venezuela. In<\/p>\n<p>fact, the ones in Venezuela lasted for 10 long years.<\/p>\n<p>The Cuba put on a lot of money into it and a lot of arms and training for<\/p>\n<p>the Venezuelans. They were so adamant about getting Venezuela<\/p>\n<p>to join the revolution with them because they were dependent upon imports<\/p>\n<p>of petroleum. So they singled out Castro, did himself, singled<\/p>\n<p>out Venezuela. Now, is it turned out later on that<\/p>\n<p>that Cuba got Venezuela anyway? And something is very interesting<\/p>\n<p>about Venezuela. Venezuela today is, as you know, probably<\/p>\n<p>the worst economic performance. It&#8217;s in practically in freefall<\/p>\n<p>with about a thousand percent a thousand<\/p>\n<p>percent devaluation of the money.<\/p>\n<p>How can people live through that? And they&#8217;re doing a very bad job of living that<\/p>\n<p>way. And therefore, thousands of people are every week trying to get out of the<\/p>\n<p>country. And the one interesting thing here<\/p>\n<p>is that in the 1970s, there were a number of military takeovers in Latin America. Practically<\/p>\n<p>every country of South America save for two countries. There had military<\/p>\n<p>governments and the militaries took over for<\/p>\n<p>and they came to power when the civilian<\/p>\n<p>regime had reached a certain level of inflation<\/p>\n<p>and that level was about 600 percent.<\/p>\n<p>So I&#8217;m asking myself, this is when the militaries in<\/p>\n<p>the past at least would take over a government that seems to be failing<\/p>\n<p>economically. Why is Venezuela at this present time<\/p>\n<p>immune from a military takeover? And<\/p>\n<p>I asked this question of a Venezuelan graduate student in the department who is a student<\/p>\n<p>of mine. He told me it&#8217;s because the<\/p>\n<p>the military has all the tourist trade<\/p>\n<p>and they&#8217;re very big in the economy. They own about half of all the economic<\/p>\n<p>assets in the country. Now, this is actually<\/p>\n<p>the Cuban model. This is what Fidel Castro put together in the 1960s<\/p>\n<p>to retain the loyalty of his own army.<\/p>\n<p>So, for example, when you travel to Cuba and I hope you do. And by the way, pick<\/p>\n<p>up a couple of these shirts while you&#8217;re there. The why Havana shirts? Because<\/p>\n<p>they can come in handy around here in Texas.<\/p>\n<p>But he involved. That is Fidel Castro. Involve the army<\/p>\n<p>in running the economy. So you will see when you<\/p>\n<p>go there or you probably won&#8217;t know this, but all the companies that deal with<\/p>\n<p>the economy, the tourist economy, the hotels, the<\/p>\n<p>car rentals, they all belong to the army and generals<\/p>\n<p>within the army. So this idea of keeping the loyalty of<\/p>\n<p>your military by involving them in the economy and owning all the best<\/p>\n<p>assets in the country. This was picked up by<\/p>\n<p>Hugo Chavez, the man who socialized<\/p>\n<p>the country and started the Chavez state party, which is still<\/p>\n<p>in power, even though Chavez is. Am I<\/p>\n<p>getting away from Cuba? Not really.<\/p>\n<p>Chavez was one of Castro&#8217;s best friends.<\/p>\n<p>He would go to Cuba quite often to get the advice of<\/p>\n<p>the maximum leader of the revolution in Latin America.<\/p>\n<p>He was always an honored guest. He dedicated a great<\/p>\n<p>portion of free. Supplies of crude oil<\/p>\n<p>he built for Cuba, the latest<\/p>\n<p>refinery, which unfortunately doesn&#8217;t work very well.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s like a like a Russian refinery. It doesn&#8217;t quite measure<\/p>\n<p>up to first world standards. But anyway,<\/p>\n<p>he helped the economy of Cuba in the 1990s and the<\/p>\n<p>early 20th century because he had his control<\/p>\n<p>of the flow of oil to Cuba. But he believed<\/p>\n<p>so much in Cuba that he won. Fidel Castro told<\/p>\n<p>him that we have the best doctors in the world. That&#8217;s where he went.<\/p>\n<p>He went to Cuba when he developed a cancer.<\/p>\n<p>And it was in Cuba that he died<\/p>\n<p>because he would not go to any other cancer doctor.<\/p>\n<p>I want to say something about my book. Do you mind if I do that?<\/p>\n<p>All right, here&#8217;s here&#8217;s the book. I could pass this around. I don&#8217;t<\/p>\n<p>have any copies to sell. You can. You can buy this. However,<\/p>\n<p>it&#8217;s published at Harvard University Press. It only costs twenty five bucks.<\/p>\n<p>Twenty five. Yeah, it&#8217;s six. Six hundred pages long.<\/p>\n<p>But it reads so well. I read<\/p>\n<p>it several times in it. It&#8217;s like Brian GREENE.<\/p>\n<p>It holds up where they only published this last year. So<\/p>\n<p>there&#8217;s plenty of copies available. The one thing that I was<\/p>\n<p>that I remarked once I got into the study of the Cuban revolution is how powerful<\/p>\n<p>the Cuban revolution was in international affairs.<\/p>\n<p>When Fidel Castro took over Cuba and consolidated power there after<\/p>\n<p>in 1959, Cuba only had<\/p>\n<p>six million people. They had never been<\/p>\n<p>and very prominent in world affairs. The Cubans<\/p>\n<p>simply were not on the map as far as Europe.<\/p>\n<p>And it was known for producing sugar. Sure enough. And some<\/p>\n<p>wild nightlife, some of which is described by Graham GREENE,<\/p>\n<p>but not in my book. So forewarning you about that.<\/p>\n<p>But you go over to the LBJ library. You go to do some<\/p>\n<p>research, as I did, and Lenore went with me as well. We went to the JFK<\/p>\n<p>Library and there are reams and reams of paper just<\/p>\n<p>on Cuba. You couldn&#8217;t find anything on Cuba before<\/p>\n<p>in the presidency, particularly of JFK, it was the number one foreign<\/p>\n<p>problem of the United States. That&#8217;s why it generated so<\/p>\n<p>much documentation. And<\/p>\n<p>it&#8217;s pretty heavily documented even in an LBJ time.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s probably second only to Vietnam among the foreign documentation<\/p>\n<p>that you can find there. Why was this?<\/p>\n<p>Well, this was because when Fidel Castro came to power, the<\/p>\n<p>CIA ignored him. They ignored Fidel Castro because he wasn&#8217;t<\/p>\n<p>thought to have been while he was fighting a guerrilla warfare. He wasn&#8217;t thought<\/p>\n<p>to have been a communist. As a matter of fact, he wasn&#8217;t a communist when<\/p>\n<p>he fought the revolution in this area, Maestra. And<\/p>\n<p>there were plenty of studies. There were people connected to the CIA who were with the<\/p>\n<p>the embassy in Havana. They did make trips down to the Sierra Maestra<\/p>\n<p>to question people down there. But the thing was that Fidel Castro<\/p>\n<p>had the support of the middle class. So<\/p>\n<p>he never professed a never spoke like a communist. He didn&#8217;t use Marxist-Leninist<\/p>\n<p>words, concepts. His he<\/p>\n<p>smoke like a spoke like in a smoke quite a bit, too.<\/p>\n<p>But he spoke like a nationalist,<\/p>\n<p>a middle class nationalist who speaks of loving the nation.<\/p>\n<p>The pottery. And the heroes of the wars of independence like Jose Marti<\/p>\n<p>and all the rest. So he certainly did not pretend to be<\/p>\n<p>a socialist. And I believe he was not.<\/p>\n<p>So the CIA goes into Santiago very shortly after.<\/p>\n<p>In nineteen nineteen fifty eight. Probably<\/p>\n<p>around the time that this book was published by Graham GREENE and they queried all<\/p>\n<p>of the people in the middle class and they were solidly behind<\/p>\n<p>Fidel Castro. He was their man. He had grown up and went to school in Santiago<\/p>\n<p>de Cuba. He went to private school like all the people of the<\/p>\n<p>better off classes do, and they supported him. This was his revolution. And<\/p>\n<p>the reason was there was a bit of racism, racism<\/p>\n<p>involved here. The only non white.<\/p>\n<p>Person ever to be chief of state. In Cuba was<\/p>\n<p>Firenze Batista. He was the man who was the dictator that<\/p>\n<p>Fidel Castro was fighting against. So the dictator forehands<\/p>\n<p>you might teach there was not really well respected among the middle class<\/p>\n<p>and therefore the middle class very. Thoroughly.<\/p>\n<p>Backed Fidel Castro. And it was<\/p>\n<p>only after he began to consolidate power in the first couple of months<\/p>\n<p>that he began to court the Soviet Union<\/p>\n<p>and the socialist bloc. This is why<\/p>\n<p>he has to become a great kind of public enemy here in the United States.<\/p>\n<p>The other thing that bolstered this, this idea that he was a danger to the United<\/p>\n<p>States was the fact that all the middle class who had been backing him in the revolution in the 1950s,<\/p>\n<p>in the 1960s, they emigrated and went to Miami.<\/p>\n<p>And there they organized all manner of of groups<\/p>\n<p>to influence United States policy in Latin America.<\/p>\n<p>And they became mercenary troops for the CIA<\/p>\n<p>trying to overthrow the government of Cuba and Fidel<\/p>\n<p>Castro. As long as I&#8217;m about this, I&#8217;d like<\/p>\n<p>to talk a little bit about the role of Great Britain, Great Britain. Somehow<\/p>\n<p>the British are somehow in the title of my talk. Are they not? Yes. What is the title of<\/p>\n<p>my talk? Please remind me. Kestrels Challenge to Britain and the United<\/p>\n<p>States. Wow. I<\/p>\n<p>didn&#8217;t know I put it that way because<\/p>\n<p>while all of Latin America were obeying the Presidents<\/p>\n<p>Kennedy and an LBJ to break diplomatic relations<\/p>\n<p>with Cuba, Great Britain did not. As a matter of fact,<\/p>\n<p>neither did some of the other great powers of Europe. Spain probably<\/p>\n<p>not one of the great powers of Europe in the 1960s, but Spain, even though General<\/p>\n<p>Franco, you&#8217;d think that if anybody in Europe is going to break relations<\/p>\n<p>with with a Cuba that is<\/p>\n<p>quickly becoming a communist state, it would be Franco.<\/p>\n<p>But Franco never gave up. He continued to have relations, diplomatic<\/p>\n<p>relations with Cuba, France, France under de Gaulle also<\/p>\n<p>did so. The great powers in the center of Europe<\/p>\n<p>retained trade. Not that they traded as much as the United States did, or then later<\/p>\n<p>on the Soviet Union. But they retained trading privileges with<\/p>\n<p>Cuba all throughout the 1960s. At the time that the United States was organizing<\/p>\n<p>a big boycott, as a matter<\/p>\n<p>of fact, Great Britain and British ships, British merchant vessels<\/p>\n<p>occasionally came under fire from some of the mercenary troops<\/p>\n<p>that were sponsored and paid for by the CIA in the 1960s.<\/p>\n<p>You may have heard about fast boats and Pirates of the Caribbean.<\/p>\n<p>Well, this is exactly the sort of Cuban anti-Castro<\/p>\n<p>Cubans who were given money by the CIA to<\/p>\n<p>buy arms and buy fast boats, mother ships,<\/p>\n<p>and then circle around the island of Cuba and<\/p>\n<p>making raids on Cuba. The idea behind this, they were known<\/p>\n<p>as the they were known also as revolutionary groups. That is<\/p>\n<p>every one of these groups to tie themselves into the the middle class<\/p>\n<p>participation in the revolution in the 1950s that they say Fidel Castro<\/p>\n<p>stole. Every one of these anti-Castro groups, had<\/p>\n<p>revolution in its name, the revolutionary front of of the Eskom bri-.<\/p>\n<p>And there were other named everybody in the revolutionary rehabilitation.<\/p>\n<p>That was another mercenary group, another armed group<\/p>\n<p>that. But the one thing is they were not effective.<\/p>\n<p>As a matter of fact, they may they became counterproductive. And this comes<\/p>\n<p>directly from the book. They became counterproductive because the action<\/p>\n<p>of these groups out of Miami. Gave Fidel<\/p>\n<p>Castro an excuse. To mobilize<\/p>\n<p>the population, to organize the militias and to organize<\/p>\n<p>a group known as the defenders of the Revolution.<\/p>\n<p>That were, in fact, neighborhood watch groups throughout<\/p>\n<p>Cuba who kept their eyes on their neighbors for demonstrations<\/p>\n<p>of disloyalty to the state, to the revolutionary state and to Fidel Castro.<\/p>\n<p>I was gonna make a Trump joke. Probably I shouldn&#8217;t.<\/p>\n<p>This is being recorded. And<\/p>\n<p>anyway, Trump would have liked this group. But<\/p>\n<p>in other words, Castro was able to consolidate his power and eliminate his enemies from within<\/p>\n<p>the revolution because of the activities of these armed<\/p>\n<p>groups sponsored by the CIA and bringing the British<\/p>\n<p>back in here. I guess the challenge was that sometimes they attacked British<\/p>\n<p>shipping. There was one famous case during the presidency of John<\/p>\n<p>F. Kennedy in which the idea<\/p>\n<p>that one of these armed groups attacked a ship and shot it up, a British<\/p>\n<p>merchant vessel. So they got a letter. The United States got a letter from<\/p>\n<p>the British government protesting the c.i.a.&#8217;s groups<\/p>\n<p>operating out of Havana who were somehow interdicting<\/p>\n<p>and trade on the high seas, becoming pirates.<\/p>\n<p>You know, the worst case of this happened in 1964,<\/p>\n<p>when LBJ, who had inherited the presidency<\/p>\n<p>of Kennedy as vise president and he was running in November<\/p>\n<p>in order to win election in his own name. So you can understand how touchy he<\/p>\n<p>was by this incident. One of these armed groups out of Miami,<\/p>\n<p>actually, they had a a base in Nicaragua under<\/p>\n<p>the simonson&#8217;s, another infamous dictator from Latin America that was<\/p>\n<p>never visited by Graham GREENE.<\/p>\n<p>And they attacked a Spanish merchant vessel. They shot it up<\/p>\n<p>badly, killed about five officers and watched them<\/p>\n<p>at at night. They mistaken they had mistaken<\/p>\n<p>this. Ship for a a merchant<\/p>\n<p>vessel of Cuba. Name the Sierra. My Estrada over. Named<\/p>\n<p>after the the place for the revolution. And Fidel Castro.<\/p>\n<p>But it was really the Sierra Houghton&#8217;s zsuzsa.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s a it&#8217;s a mountain chain in.<\/p>\n<p>In Spain. And it was a Spanish vessel. Therefore, this<\/p>\n<p>was piracy on the high seas. They disabled this vessel, had to be towed<\/p>\n<p>into into port. And<\/p>\n<p>there was a lot of diplomatic anger over this directive<\/p>\n<p>that the president of the United States. Of course, since the CIA<\/p>\n<p>was involved, everybody at the White House. Including my<\/p>\n<p>economic history professor, Walt Rostow, and wanted to<\/p>\n<p>downplay this, and so they said they&#8217;re just good patriots who<\/p>\n<p>have no connection and no direction from the CIA.<\/p>\n<p>That was that was correct. There was no direction from the CIA. There was only<\/p>\n<p>financing from the CIA. That&#8217;s how they could buy all these these weapons.<\/p>\n<p>But Johnson then pulled the plug on that operation. He told<\/p>\n<p>the CIA to stop sponsoring groups from Miami<\/p>\n<p>and to shut them down in any way. He was beginning to move towards<\/p>\n<p>and move the whole crusade against Cuba.<\/p>\n<p>He&#8217;s moving the anti-communist crusade to Southeast Asia.<\/p>\n<p>One other thing here, and that is that Great<\/p>\n<p>Britain, which sold some Leeland buses in 1964.<\/p>\n<p>This became a big deal in the newspapers once again. The<\/p>\n<p>administration here in Washington, D.C., was up in arms about how could the British do<\/p>\n<p>this one deal with this communist state. And of course, we<\/p>\n<p>were selling wheat to the Soviet Union. So I guess it was a perfectly rational<\/p>\n<p>sort of operation.<\/p>\n<p>In a way, I think that this European, our allies in Europe<\/p>\n<p>were much more important to us as allies against<\/p>\n<p>the Soviet Union than Cuba was a threat to the United States.<\/p>\n<p>So the Kennedy and the Johnson administration<\/p>\n<p>tolerated their continued diplomatic recognition of Cuba.<\/p>\n<p>And I think that the one reason was that<\/p>\n<p>the United States needed our allies in Europe in order to protect<\/p>\n<p>the one captive city of capitalism.<\/p>\n<p>And that was West Berlin. The reason why JFK<\/p>\n<p>pulled back the U.S. fleet from Cuban waters during the Bay<\/p>\n<p>of Pigs in April 1961, the Bay of Pigs<\/p>\n<p>invasion, as you know, was a brigade of Cuban Americans<\/p>\n<p>who had signed up for training in Guatemala in order to invade<\/p>\n<p>Cuba. And they, too, were sponsored by the CIA.<\/p>\n<p>And this was a hush hush project begun and then laid on the lap<\/p>\n<p>of Kennedy by<\/p>\n<p>Eisenhower, by President Eisenhower. This had worked<\/p>\n<p>once in Guatemala in 1954. When the<\/p>\n<p>few communists were known to be working in the<\/p>\n<p>the the government of the country<\/p>\n<p>that was about to expropriate some land, unused land belonging<\/p>\n<p>to the United Fruit Company, for whom the New York<\/p>\n<p>law, the New York law offices. That<\/p>\n<p>in which the Dulles brothers were partners<\/p>\n<p>and that law office in New York represented internationally<\/p>\n<p>the United Fruit Company. So the CIA,<\/p>\n<p>under the direction then of Allen Dulles, decided<\/p>\n<p>and got the word from Eisenhower to send in the CIA<\/p>\n<p>and see if we can&#8217;t undermine this revolutionary government that was taking<\/p>\n<p>land away from foreigners. And it worked.<\/p>\n<p>There was a military revolt inside of the country and the<\/p>\n<p>military revolt unseated the the revolutionary president who<\/p>\n<p>was trying to undertake land reform for the benefit of<\/p>\n<p>the landless peasants in Guatemala. This worked<\/p>\n<p>in Guatemala, but it didn&#8217;t work in Cuba. Fidel Castro.<\/p>\n<p>And one of the reasons is that already Fidel Castro had learned the lesson of Guatemala<\/p>\n<p>because there was a young Argentine doctor who was on<\/p>\n<p>his way through Central America and he was living<\/p>\n<p>for a while in revolutionary Guatemala.<\/p>\n<p>And he was there when the CIA cabal took place<\/p>\n<p>and unseated the revolutionary government of Guatemala in 1954. That<\/p>\n<p>was Che Guevara, or he was known later on as Che Guevara.<\/p>\n<p>So Che Guevara, when he met Fidel Castro in Mexico City,<\/p>\n<p>already told him about one thing that we must watch out for is<\/p>\n<p>the see eye A but. The fact<\/p>\n<p>that we had in Europe a number of countries who did<\/p>\n<p>not want to break relations with Cuba.<\/p>\n<p>This turned out also to be a source of information about what was happening inside<\/p>\n<p>of Cuba. Well, Lenore and I went to the the the<\/p>\n<p>archive at Kew Gardens, wonderful place to work, great<\/p>\n<p>lunches and great tee times. If you get a chance to do it.<\/p>\n<p>Go do some research there. I will say that<\/p>\n<p>they they had some influence and<\/p>\n<p>some cooperation out of their own embassy&#8217;s in there in order to<\/p>\n<p>to shunt to the United States. Some intelligence reports.<\/p>\n<p>They didn&#8217;t send them the juicy stuff. They did send them something every now and then.<\/p>\n<p>So it became a kind of convenient source paying back your<\/p>\n<p>powerful ally, the United States, by providing him some intelligence about things going on in<\/p>\n<p>Cuba. And that&#8217;s because<\/p>\n<p>the secret police in Cuba began to be organized<\/p>\n<p>by Soviet agents. The very first KGB officer shows<\/p>\n<p>up in Cuba at the end in the last months of 1959. I&#8217;ve got<\/p>\n<p>his picture in here. Alexander Alexiev<\/p>\n<p>shows up in Niger and immediately he goes to work for the<\/p>\n<p>the Interior Ministry. And then the KGB had about<\/p>\n<p>five officers who were constantly supervising<\/p>\n<p>the work of the secret police in Fidel Castro&#8217;s Cuba.<\/p>\n<p>Therefore, by the time LBJ come came to office,<\/p>\n<p>practically all of the sources of information that the CIA<\/p>\n<p>could collect from inside of Cuba had dried up because all<\/p>\n<p>of the agents that the CIA ran in Cuba were picked up by<\/p>\n<p>the secret police.<\/p>\n<p>So getting back to the invasion.<\/p>\n<p>The United States armed forces did not back the invasion. That is,<\/p>\n<p>they did not send U.S. pilots, they did not send U.S. warplanes.<\/p>\n<p>They did not bombard Cuba at this time<\/p>\n<p>with naval canons.<\/p>\n<p>They backed away from protecting even those who<\/p>\n<p>the Cuban Americans who had rushed ashore in April of nineteen<\/p>\n<p>sixty one at the Bay of Pigs. The reason is<\/p>\n<p>that. That West West Berlin was simply<\/p>\n<p>much more important. They knew in 1961 that<\/p>\n<p>Khrushchev had expressed on several occasions support for<\/p>\n<p>Fidel Castro. He had even given Fidel himself a bear hug<\/p>\n<p>in the in the United Nations. So it<\/p>\n<p>was common knowledge that that Cuba was becoming<\/p>\n<p>an ally of the Soviet Union and the Soviet Union<\/p>\n<p>could put, could attack or at least hold<\/p>\n<p>hostage to protect Cuba from invasion<\/p>\n<p>from U.S. military forces. And so all throughout the 1960s at<\/p>\n<p>the time that we were the most difficult<\/p>\n<p>in maintaining our economic and political<\/p>\n<p>boycott of the Cuban regime. The the<\/p>\n<p>Europeans did not. And I think that the real secret to that<\/p>\n<p>and we&#8217;ve never used any U.S. military forces<\/p>\n<p>against Cuba whatsoever. And I think that the reason is that the<\/p>\n<p>allies were interested in protecting West Germany. Were<\/p>\n<p>interested in protecting to the West Berlin,<\/p>\n<p>which was inside of East Germany from harm. And this is why<\/p>\n<p>the United States modified its antagonism against Cuba<\/p>\n<p>and relegated it to trade and to diplomatic boycott rather<\/p>\n<p>than All-Out U.S. invasion of Cuba. What the<\/p>\n<p>United States armed forces, thus the title, the challenge<\/p>\n<p>to to to Great Britain. I.<\/p>\n<p>I have no idea where that came from,<\/p>\n<p>but I had to have Great Britain in the title.<\/p>\n<p>A couple of reasons that I discovered why Cuba was so<\/p>\n<p>important in the 1960s. One, it was the<\/p>\n<p>it was a vulnerable time in the Cold War.<\/p>\n<p>Sputnik had been launched. The Soviet Union had the biggest army<\/p>\n<p>in the world. They were thought to have all these tanks. And there was<\/p>\n<p>the missile gap, the so-called missile gap that came became part of the 1960s<\/p>\n<p>election. It was believed<\/p>\n<p>in 1960 that they had more missiles than the United States did. Even<\/p>\n<p>though Eisenhower knew better, he was not about to publicize that.<\/p>\n<p>So there was all this for all of these reasons.<\/p>\n<p>And then the fact that the Fidel Castro<\/p>\n<p>nationalized all of U.S. businesses in the year 1960<\/p>\n<p>with one fell swoop, nobody was willing then in 1960<\/p>\n<p>to go to war over the loss of a few refineries of Standard<\/p>\n<p>Oil. All of the lands. The sugar<\/p>\n<p>lands owned by American companies also were confiscated<\/p>\n<p>and there was no kind of belligerence on the part of the United States. There<\/p>\n<p>was just continued kind of support<\/p>\n<p>for Cuban counter-revolutionaries in Miami. That was about<\/p>\n<p>it. Here&#8217;s another<\/p>\n<p>reason. The fact that there was this trade<\/p>\n<p>and political alliance between Cuba and the Soviet Union and<\/p>\n<p>also Red China. Chairman Mao was<\/p>\n<p>got a visit from Che Guevara himself. Or maybe I should say Chairman Mao<\/p>\n<p>himself got a visit from Che Guevara and<\/p>\n<p>became a a supporter of the Cuban revolution. Even though<\/p>\n<p>there wasn&#8217;t much trade that could be carried on between China and<\/p>\n<p>the US and Cuba. Nonetheless, they did have political ties.<\/p>\n<p>And so this made Cuba outsized<\/p>\n<p>in all of world affairs. As a matter of fact, you could say that<\/p>\n<p>Fidel Castro was the cause for the fall of<\/p>\n<p>Nikita Khrushchev in 1964, just a year and a half after<\/p>\n<p>the Cuban missile crisis, which occurred in Cuba. And Cuba,<\/p>\n<p>was the the one territory in all<\/p>\n<p>the world in which the major powers were so<\/p>\n<p>close to come to war in the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis in October<\/p>\n<p>of 1962. All of these are the reasons why Cuba<\/p>\n<p>became such a problem for the United States in the 1960s. And<\/p>\n<p>Cuba also carried great weight throughout the world.<\/p>\n<p>They eventually sent troops in to two to Africa. At the end of<\/p>\n<p>the nineteen sixties and large number, several thousands<\/p>\n<p>of troops from the regular army were sent into Africa in the 1970s<\/p>\n<p>and the 1980s. They for a country of six<\/p>\n<p>million people who adopted socialism because of the Cuban<\/p>\n<p>revolution. Cuba carried great weight<\/p>\n<p>and it still does. And I would say mainly because of<\/p>\n<p>opposition by the United States, which continues even today.<\/p>\n<p>Still, if you got a chance to visit I-word suggestion. It&#8217;s really a<\/p>\n<p>wonderful place and I believe it. From<\/p>\n<p>the book by Graham GREENE. 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